(October 12, 2017 at 10:31 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Tzi, I don't agree with BennyBoy that you are a racist. I think your intentions are good and don't stem from a place of prejudice against white people.

But he is correct that just because a person is white does not mean she/he has to put up with insults and not stand up against ridiculous allegations.

Which was never the point of that post . Nor it's implication . The primary point was to mock the ridiculous meme chart he posted .

But i'm happy to hear you don't think i'm a racist 

Neo's meme was to show the ridiculousness of some SJW's and how they label people racists so easily for like everything. I mean, some sjw's actually think that having white skin inherently makes a person racist. That is absolutely ridiculous. A person should be allowed to stand up against these sorts of things without being told to shut up just because they are white.

(October 12, 2017 at 11:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 10:31 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Which was never the point of that post . Nor it's implication . The primary point was to mock the ridiculous meme chart he posted .

But i'm happy to hear you don't think i'm a racist 

Neo's meme was to show the ridiculousness of some SJW's and how they label people racists so easily for like everything. I mean, some sjw's actually think that having white skin inherently makes a person racist. That is absolutely ridiculous. A person should be allowed to stand up against these sorts of things without being told to shut up just because they are white.

1. That's not the wording of the meme .

2. That's not the way Wooter phrased it . 

3. It's still a dumb meme . That pushes a false narrative. 

4. No where did my meme say imply people should shut up if their white. Merely that people like wooter whine that their persecuted because they are white.

(October 12, 2017 at 10:44 am)Bob Kelso Wrote: They're definitely acting like assholes, lol, but there are a few that act just like the racists themselves in who they see as the enemy and how they treat them. With certain feminists it's men, with those in the LGBT movement it's the CISgendered or straights, and with minority groups it's the whites or the police force.

These SJWs treat their perceived adversaries like sexists, bigots and racists treat them. As if they are all that way. Or at least enough of them are as to justify their behavior.

Sure, what goes around comes around is fair enough I suppose. Unless one is looking to actually better these issues.

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I'm sure anyone who has followed this conversation knows but just for shits and giggles I remind you that I'm talking about the regressives (SJWs) in these movements and not everyone in those groups.

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So, it's not so much that you feel that their behavior is unjustified or hypocritical..but.rather, that it's not useful or helpful.  That they're too reactionary, and thus, regressives?  It would be these people, specifically, which you apply the term sjw to.    

Quote:Depends on what we're talking about, radical feminism in the States, Canada and most of the 1st World? Yes I'd say that it's fair to say they're SJWs. Third wave "intersectional" feminism is basically the oppression olympics. Just ask Sarkeesian and her pals, everything is sexist everything is offensive.

Radical feminists in Islamic states where feminism can actually do some much needed good? Definitely not.

Two people with exactly the same povs, who act in the same way..one's an sjw, and the other isn't.   This can be determined by geography?  

Quote:*my emphasis*

You're exactly right with the bolded bit, except for one niggling thing on that last bit. Where do we draw the line on bigotry?

A slippery slope, you reckon?

Quote:In the video we're met with the banning of a woman (Julie Bindle) who had been working for women's rights for years, now banned from speaking because of a difference in opinion on transgender issues.

People working for women's rights are capable of holding bigoted opinions..capable of being bigots.  Is Julie Bindle an sjw , for acting like the racists?  She's got some amusing "opinions" on bisexuality as well.

Quote:Does that seem like social justice to you? Are we to have differences in opinion (not hate speech) become bigotry if they're different from a certain group's view?

I'd be the wrong person to ask, I don't see bigotry as "just another opinion".  If I see someone working towards equality I see a good job being done..but I don't believe that they have to be exceptional people, right on every other issue, or in agreement with me on some other issue.  In short, I don't require that they be The Good Ones™.

Quote:I think a large part of third wave feminism is comprised of SJWs. I say "think" because that has been my experience with them, and the experience of many others, but I know anecdote doesn't always describe reality at large.

Do you think it would be fair to say that a large portion of your comments regarding sjws are..more accurately, criticisms of feminism and feminists?  

Quote:The threat of unprovoked violence that came along with this one was especially distasteful to me.

It wasn't unprovoked.  He was asked not to film some specific location by the protesters for a reason that they thought was compelling. He didn't find it compelling.  He was then asked to leave, he didn't want to leave.  Like I said, I'm on his side on this one..but there's no need to distort the reality of the situation and how it happened.  I think that, as with the example of Laci Green, you might be omitting a significant portion of the narrative....which, ironically, was exactly what the protesters worried about in regards to media presence.  

Quote:I think that safe spaces present more issues than one might originally think, but they don't really become censorship until something like this occurs. This entire fiasco is like a living representation of what can go wrong with "safe space". Wanting to have a space where a group can come together offering solace and an echo chamber is one thing, I don't particularly care aside from finding it ridiculous on its face, but when you do it on public grounds -during a large protest no less- and then threaten violence on the people around you for doing their jobs? That's a big fucking problem, it's beyond censorship to me, it's entitlement and a breeding ground for more needless violence.

Safe spaces as breeding grounds for violence?  Really?  Of all the criticisms I'd offer for safespaces.....I've gotta say, that aint one of em.  I think, if they wanted it to be private, they should have taken it to private space as well, though, lol.

Quote:I've said before that SJWs are defined to me by their actions and how they go about supporting their ideals (typically ideals of a liberal/humanitarian nature). Given why they were there, the safe space "no outsiders allowed" mindset of the crowd, and Click's volatile, borderline violent, reaction to the reporter (read outsider) are hallmark signs of SJW mentality.

So it is a dumpster term, and could apply to people whose ideologies share nothing in common, and might not apply when peoples ideologies and actions are in alignment but their geography is disparate?  

SJW means..."people you disagree with", chiefly feminists, but sometimes not.  Looking at all of the above, can you tell me why I shouldn't consider you an sjw by your own use and description of the term?

So a guy showing up to film a group of people who didn't want to be filmed  because they believed it was a hatchet  job  . And was asked to leave didn't and got attacked is in Bobs mind proof of something nefarious.

In fairness, It's understandable..if maybe a little stretched, that he would think so- if his knowledge of the event was strictly limited to his characterization thereof.  The question, ofc, is why his knowledge or characterization of the event was so conveniently and predictably constricted - and how that came to be.  

Honestly, the same comments could be repeated for most of the things he pointed to in his examples...but the very use of the term sjw as such provides a sufficient explanation for that.  The use coattails precisely with the terms transformation from a positive identifier to a partisan perjorative beginning precisly at...wait for it, gamergate..as a reactionary response to feminism. A use which then grew as a dumpster term in alt right parlance for a whole host of often unrelated povs and events.

(October 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: In fairness, It's understandable..if maybe a little stretched, that he would think so- if his knowledge of the event was strictly limited to his characterization thereof.  The question, ofc, is why his knowledge or characterization of the event was so conveniently and predictably constricted - and how that came to be.  

Honestly, the same comments could be repeated for most of the things he pointed to in his examples...but the very use of the term sjw as such provides a sufficient explanation for that.  The use coattails precisely with the terms transformation from a positive identifier to a partisan perjorative beginning precisly at...wait for it, gamergate..as a reactionary response to feminism.

Yup pretty much . And it's sad that it's been twisted into partisan perjorative

(October 12, 2017 at 12:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: In fairness, It's understandable..if maybe a little stretched, that he would think so- if his knowledge of the event was strictly limited to his characterization thereof.  The question, ofc, is why his knowledge or characterization of the event was so conveniently and predictably constricted - and how that came to be.  

Honestly, the same comments could be repeated for most of the things he pointed to in his examples...but the very use of the term sjw as such provides a sufficient explanation for that.  The use coattails precisely with the terms transformation from a positive identifier to a partisan perjorative beginning precisly at...wait for it, gamergate..as a reactionary response to feminism.

Yup pretty much . And it's sad that it's been twisted into partisan perjorative

If the shoe fits, wear it.

As such? There of? You wouldn't happen to be an expert in Bird Law by any chance?

Blah Blah Blah 

Poor persecuted you heard it over and over Wooter

I find your hysteria even funnier

 

Quote:Wallym, I removed my kudos so that the lying slanderers won't accuse you of being a racist.

Yes i'm sure the ones who live in your head would be angry. Meanwhile the rational , honest ,perceptive people who are calling you out laugh at your hysteria.