the real point to this argument-is there any proof fgor jesus outside of the bible, is 'No',because the bible was of 'that' region's deities OVER A FEW HUNDRED YEARS. abel,who was 'readably' written about in the OT,was meant to be a message to jesusschmeezus that 'a brother would kill him',i.e.judas. moses was also a christ but from a few centuries earleier,why,because he too was unsure of his parentage,being left in the reedbed,ie.he was orphaned.jesus may well have been mary's son,but i doubt he was joseph's....the man who brought ME up from birth KNEW he was not my biological father too. as soon as my mother left me and my brothers with him,i aged 8,he 'hinted' at my 'illegitimacy' several times,over and over....it was when i got to 18 that he kicked me out,leaving me with he words 'you are not my son'....THEN i remembered walking in on him screaming down the telephone to somebody-"you'll NEVER talk to MY son."-i was about 9 years old then.four years later,when 13years old,i heard Ash's song uncle pat-so here's for uncle pat....it wasn't until a further 5 or 6 years on,when i was nearly 19,that i realised WHY ash songs have repeated themes of 'heaven'/angels/christs etc...IN FACT,all music!blur's Song2-i got my head done,when i was young,its not my problem[i had a severe head injury 4 days before my 13th,but recovered fullyfrom it],and 'i got my head checked,by a jumbojet..it wasn't easy'-in approx oct 2001,i heard 'look for a sign' as i gazed at the stars....there was a plane in the night sky,whose lights correlated with a constellation...which i found a few years later to almost have certainly have been 'pegasus'=rebirth.
or gorillaz 'clint eastwood'[an actor/director who in all his films is the sole 'good guy' fighting for good against numerous 'bad guys'.WHY ELSE would it be called 'clint eastwood'???
there are hundreds of songs which i relate to,which supports the theory i had in 2001 of 'possession is everything'....it follows that 'you must create'[on ash drummers tshirt in their free all angels album[2001]],BECAUSE,a coincidence IS the work,or the sum of a handful of people being possessed.

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here's a handful more songs for y'all.....

Mansun-special/blown it.....heard it on a cd which came with New Musical Express' freebie cd-annual probe.also on the cd were-ash's numbskull,fatboy slim's 'soul surfing',gomez's '78 stone wobble'[which i presume referred to the 'mate' who was with me when i was blinded. he denies it ever happened,but then,he's catholic,and overweight!]!

metallica's 'leper messiah'-was diagnosed schizophrenic by freudian psychiatrists.'master of puppets'....

angel interceptor-ash's 1977 album....my 'dad' would frequently tell me of me speaking in my sleep.apparently i would say "no...no...peta NO"-petra 'poison acorn' oakes,my mary of magdalin/medusa/atropis AND one of my first 'girlfriends'[i was just 5 years old!]was,i think,'intercepting the archangel pat',who i presume,spoke to me when i was in NREM sleep,i.e.the part of sleep that nobody remembers. look into it!

blur-beetlebum...she's your gun...
ash's 1998 release 'jesus says',which was 'set in' NYC,a parallel for NEWbury,west berkshire,UK...where i lived from 4yo to 22yo.
twin peaks instrumental,'dance of the dream man'....me and the 1st 'queen'/soulmate,nia,WERE the 'twin peaks' of newbury.THEN the trade centre disaster symbolised that i had 'lost her'.ALSO,twin peaks was made by propaganda film company....bob bagley was the 1st name i arrived at for my father,until i watched channel5 show twinpeaks at xmas time 01.
bohemIAN rhapsody by Queen[bcoz nia re-arranged?]
muse-newborn+pray for absolution+time is running out etc etc
kings of leon....just in the bandname...i am a Leo,and i am king!!!!
Beatles' "here comes the sun"+"sunking".....i heard petra call me her 'sunking' once[before i was hospitalized]-everybody's laughing,everybody's happy.......+the ice is slowly melting[here comes the sun]

(August 9, 2011 at 7:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: All your base are belong to us.

Reading that while seeing ur avatar is slightly creepy haha

He is slightly creepy.

(August 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: He is slightly creepy.

In a voice like a buttery waterfall of shivers kind of way. (My analogies are very bad. )

Nikkos, that stream of consciousness thing you have going on is making it impossible for me to read your posts. Sorry. I guess I am missing out on yet another messiah.

here is an example of the kind of song which 'awoke' my 'spiritual being'...this one i bought aged 14,or just 15,in 1997. the artist was a jake shillingford,going by the name of 'my life story'.it was pat who possessedjake to write the words he did....i.e.'strumpet' being petra,"welcome to my archipelago"---'archipelago' being a group of islands[or continents in god's eyes?]---i've got one foot in the grave,and the other stuck in shit...[???]..or so go the lyrics to it!btw,can't seem to find it on youtube!

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I'M slightly creepy??!! just WHAT makes you the 'summerqueen',eh?at least i have substance to my beliefs,and do not rush to dismiss ANYTHING that frightens me,which of course,my beliefs will do,if you really do hate the very concept of there being a god,of sorts! all angels='god'.:free all angels is what i tried to do! yeh,i doubt you've ever missed out on a genuine messiah/christ,have you? i beg you,just listen!you MIGHT learn something![perish the thought!!!i KNOW how you atheists LIKE to think YOU are the mightiest beings on Earth,don't you??!] i WAS the same,once upon a time!!!

i know of ONE bandname that might help you understand where i come from...the US band-Linkin Park....the whole music 'scene' IS a 'linking park',ie.linkable!

take system of a down's 2001 song 'chop suey'....self righteous suicide...where angels deserve to die..[about the 'angels' who controlled jesus' life???!!?

OR....the ash song 'the creeps'-"no your type is not a new phenomenon to me"

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MY point is,and i apologise for my dismal failure,the EndTimes appear to be with us.....i only have to look at BBCnews with the riots all across the UK,the famine in somalia,the leonids meteor showers back in 2001,the endless fight for 'religious right',as sung by pennywise[P.W.=pat wheeler]!!!
its MY fault that society is crumbling,its MY fault that religious extremism is getting worse,both with xtianity AND islam.
i'm sorry,but the truth always has,always will HURT!!!

Er...I said Rhythm was kinda creepy. But he's creepy with a voice that strokes down the center of your being like a warm leather glove.

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Don't let me stop your prophesying.

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And by the way, I said it before and I'll say it again to all of you theists: if you learned how to use your tongues for better things than spouting your beliefs, I'd be praising god a hell of a lot more often.

Your description of his voice was creepier than anything he said.

That's only because you've never heard me say "bite the pillow I'm going in dry".

You finding it creepy that I would describe his voice that way when his title is "Barry the Whitey" is creepier than anything else that's gone on thus far.

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!!!! ROFL - damn, for that delay when people respond!!

(August 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: He is slightly creepy.

Not even close to Nickos,with his corkscrew mindset and fragile grip on reality..

Another Poe or just off his medication?