(October 24, 2017 at 11:26 am)Huggy74 Wrote: As usual you missed the point, there was no "gotcha", I simply stated that scientists theorize that abiogenesis would be impossible based on how modern cells work.

Was that statement true or false?

False.

---

(October 24, 2017 at 11:35 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Wait... Am I missing something?

The word 'something' suggests singular rather than plural.

(October 24, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(October 24, 2017 at 11:38 am)KevinM1 Wrote: You're making an unwarranted leap.  There's no need for whatever was the first life created during abiogenesis to have a modern cell structure.  Which is exactly what the video pointed out.  That doesn't mean that abiogenesis would be impossible, but rather that cellular evolution would be necessary.

---

Seriously, I can't decide whether you're being willfully ignorant in your desperate attempt to prove one of us wrong, or if you have legitimate issues with reading comprehension.  Nothing about our modern cell structure makes abiogenesis impossible.  And the video you showed illustrated a very plausible mechanism, based on already observed behavior, for abiogenesis.

(October 24, 2017 at 11:29 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Because he very clearly said "Our cells, today, wouldn't allow for abiogenesis,

*emphasis mine*

You claim a statement I made is false, then turn around and say the exact same thing I said, just worded differently... and you want to talk about MY reading comprehension level.

Right now you're talking in circles.

Huggy, you said flat out that our cells debunked the entire idea of abiogenesis. This is false. That you cannot grasp this is not a failure on my end.

Actual scientists do not assert 'modern cells' originated de novo.

Unfortunately some things are difficult to explain and they don't have a magic book to refer to.

Creationism is bunk. It says nothing about wether Christianity is bunk also, isn't even interested. But "creation science" is utter bunk.

(October 24, 2017 at 2:05 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Huggy, you said flat out that our cells debunked the entire idea of abiogenesis.  This is false.  That you cannot grasp this is not a failure on my end.

Not only that but he claims that all scientists (or scientists as a collective term) theorise that abiogenesis is impossible.

Honestly, Huggy just states things that he wishes were true without considering just how ludicrous the statement is.

(October 24, 2017 at 10:49 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Well how about this, the way our cells work make abiogenesis an impossibility, but for some strange reason that doesn't debunk abiogenesis, instead scientists theorize that ancient cells must have operated differently from modern cells.

This is what you said.

It doesn't debunk abiogenesis because there's absolutely nothing to say that cells couldn't/haven't evolved with us.  And that one of the more probable explanations happens to be laid out in the video you linked.

I mean, shit, can't you keep up with what you yourself say?

Puddles exist that perfectly shape and form for the water they contain. Therefore gods.

RIP Douglas Adams.

(October 24, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 24, 2017 at 2:05 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Huggy, you said flat out that our cells debunked the entire idea of abiogenesis.  This is false.  That you cannot grasp this is not a failure on my end.

Not only that but he claims that all scientists (or scientists as a collective term) theorise that abiogenesis is impossible.

Honestly, Huggy just states things that he wishes were true without considering just how ludicrous the statement is.

Par for the course.

---

And, I mean, evolution on a cellular level isn't even a controversial idea.  Plant and animal cells are structured and operate differently.  Which, again, is something I would assume most people learn somewhere around 5th-7th grade (I learned it in 6th).  To think that our cells are exactly the same as what was originally formed millions (billions?) of years ago is utterly ridiculous.

(October 24, 2017 at 2:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: And, I mean, evolution on a cellular level isn't even a controversial idea.  Plant and animal cells are structured and operate differently.  Which, again, is something I would assume most people learn somewhere around 5th-7th grade (I learned it in 6th).  To think that our cells are exactly the same as what was originally formed millions (billions?) of years ago is utterly ridiculous.

If cells didn't evolve then we wouldn't need an annual flu vaccine.

(October 24, 2017 at 2:22 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 24, 2017 at 2:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: And, I mean, evolution on a cellular level isn't even a controversial idea.  Plant and animal cells are structured and operate differently.  Which, again, is something I would assume most people learn somewhere around 5th-7th grade (I learned it in 6th).  To think that our cells are exactly the same as what was originally formed millions (billions?) of years ago is utterly ridiculous.

If cells didn't evolve then we wouldn't need an annual flu vaccine.

Also that.

(October 24, 2017 at 10:17 am)Huggy74 Wrote: That being said, don't be so hard on yourself, I wreck arguments on a regular basis, think of it as a learning experience.

Yeah, you're a legend in your own mind.