(October 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:05 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: So you have exactly zero miracles you can point to. You have no evidence.

Colour me unsurprised.

Lol ok big boy

That's okay.  What you lack in hard evidence you make up for in faith .. and you wear it well.

(October 27, 2017 at 7:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:05 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: So you have exactly zero miracles you can point to. You have no evidence.

Colour me unsurprised.

CL has made it pretty clear that she doesn't take her beliefs as absolute certainty and has acknowledged the problems that other folks (including me) have with the evidence given for things like miracles (see our conversation in the last couple pages).  That doesn't mean the conversation isn't worth having, and looking at any miracle claim and the evidence for/against it is usually productive and interesting for both parties...providing they're as reasonable as CL.  Don't try that shit with Drich or Rik.

Yet, at the same time she expects us to accept her miracle claims as evidence for her religion, solely on the basis that she believes, somewhere, somewhen, miracles actually happens.

Not that she at no point gives any evidence for miracles, that at no point gives a rationale for believing their existence, simply because as she believes, they must surely exist.

Oh, and PS when I point this out, she gets all condescending and dismissive, not willing to acknowledge her lack of standing for her position, just deflecting from it.

(October 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol ok big boy

That's okay.  What you lack in hard evidence you make up for in faith .. and you wear it well.

Yeah, there is no hard evidence for the supernatural that can be presented, tested, experimented, etc. That's kind of the whole point of the supernatural - if it does exist, it is beyond our natural, physical world and cant be "proven".

We come to our beliefs based on conjecture, educated guesses, maybe some personal experience if we've been lucky enough to have one, and lastly hope.

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(October 27, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: CL has made it pretty clear that she doesn't take her beliefs as absolute certainty and has acknowledged the problems that other folks (including me) have with the evidence given for things like miracles (see our conversation in the last couple pages).  That doesn't mean the conversation isn't worth having, and looking at any miracle claim and the evidence for/against it is usually productive and interesting for both parties...providing they're as reasonable as CL.  Don't try that shit with Drich or Rik.

Yet, at the same time she expects us to accept her miracle claims as evidence for her religion, solely on the basis that she believes, somewhere, somewhen, miracles actually happens.

Where did I do that? You sure you're not the delusional one?

Quote:Not that she at no point gives any evidence for miracles, that at no point gives a rationale for believing their existence, simply because as she believes, they must surely exist.

Oh, and PS when I point this out, she gets all condescending and dismissive, not willing to acknowledge her lack of standing for her position, just deflecting from it.

Boi, you silly. You sooo silly. For real.

(October 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol ok big boy

That's okay.  What you lack in hard evidence you make up for in faith .. and you wear it well.

And poop jokes!

(October 27, 2017 at 8:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Whateverist Wrote: That's okay.  What you lack in hard evidence you make up for in faith .. and you wear it well.

Yeah, there is no hard evidence for the supernatural that can be presented, tested, experimented, etc. That's kind of the whole point of the supernatural - if it does exist, it is beyond our natural, physical world and cant be "proven".

We come to our beliefs based on conjecture, educated guesses, maybe some personal experience if we've been lucky enough to have one, and lastly hope.

Better to say that there is no evidence for the supernatural and leave it at that. The reason it is called supernatural is simple, it is beyond the natural, i.e. it is beyond reality, i.e. it is not real.

(October 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 8:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah, there is no hard evidence for the supernatural that can be presented, tested, experimented, etc. That's kind of the whole point of the supernatural - if it does exist, it is beyond our natural, physical world and cant be "proven".

We come to our beliefs based on conjecture, educated guesses, maybe some personal experience if we've been lucky enough to have one, and lastly hope.

Better to say that there is no evidence for the supernatural and leave it at that. The reason it is called supernatural is simple, it is beyond the natural, i.e. it is beyond reality, i.e. it is not real.

Ok lover.

(October 27, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Better to say that there is no evidence for the supernatural and leave it at that. The reason it is called supernatural is simple, it is beyond the natural, i.e. it is beyond reality, i.e. it is not real.

Ok lover.

See, condescending and dismissive, unwilling to engage in debate. What you cannot refute you try to ignore.

Well, unfortunately for you reality* has a bad habit of being unignorable.

*Including the obvious reality that your imaginary big beard in the sky doesn't exist.

(October 27, 2017 at 8:08 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok lover.

See, condescending and dismissive, unwilling to engage in debate. What you cannot refute you try to ignore.

Well, unfortunately for you reality* has a bad habit of being unignorable.

*Including the obvious reality that your imaginary big beard in the sky doesn't exist.

I engage just fine with people who are actually willing to have honest discussion. I've learned better than to try to talk to Tazz because from the minute he got here he's been nothing but nasty to me and throws a bunch of straw my way. Just a couple weeks ago he called me a neo Nazi. Lol. Excuse me if I don't take the clown seriously or waste my time engaging with him. I'll talk to fatandfaithless and whateverist all day though. They are actually open to talking with me rather than just spewing shit my way.

(October 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Whateverist Wrote: That's okay.  What you lack in hard evidence you make up for in faith .. and you wear it well.

And poop jokes!

Such a shitty thing to say ..

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(October 27, 2017 at 8:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 8:08 pm)Wololo Wrote: See, condescending and dismissive, unwilling to engage in debate. What you cannot refute you try to ignore.

Well, unfortunately for you reality* has a bad habit of being unignorable.

*Including the obvious reality that your imaginary big beard in the sky doesn't exist.

I engage just fine with people who are actually willing to have honest discussion. I've learned better than to try to talk to Tazz because from the minute he got here he's been nothing but nasty to me and throws a bunch of straw my way. Just a couple weeks ago he called me a neo Nazi. Lol. Excuse me if I don't take the clown seriously or waste my time engaging with him. I'll talk to fatandfaithless and whateverist all day though. They are actually open to talking with me rather than just spewing shit my way.

Some people you just can't reach with poop jokes I guess.  Can't win them all.  Just be glad that you haven't been so scarred by religion that you have to strike out at strangers who disagree with you .. I guess.

The rice experiment really 

https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/s...experiment

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Umm no their is no principle  specifically of the supernatural that places it beyond testing or proof . Certainly not the supernatural as i or Carrier define it . 

http://richardcarrier.blogspot.ca/2007/0...tural.html