(October 27, 2017 at 1:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Good for them.

Iiii dunno..I don't see any single positive thing coming from this. Besides maybe an intangible feeling of moral superiority for some Catalans.

I'm sure that misery is the proximate effect, but I'm always onboard when anyone declares the ownership of themselves and of and their state.   Moral superiority, meh, maybe they feel it but it doesn't exist...nevertheless.

(October 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm)Aegon Wrote: Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116

Might escalate into violence. Hope not.

Funny thing is Portugal also declared independence once or twice from Spain.

Catalonia isn't that large so Spain can easily build a wall on the land border.  http://ontheworldmap.com/spain/autonomou...in-map.jpg

(October 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Woof..incoming Article 155 from Madrid..  Not gonna be pretty.

Not sure exactly how Catalans thought this was going to go.. no major European country will recognize them (UK has already said they won't), they have no army, they can't get into the EU (as Spain would vote against them).  I can appreciate their sentiments in wanting more autonomy, but did they have any idea at all about how that would actually work?  Now Madrid is going to invoke Article 155 of their constitution and assume even more direct control over the region.

They have a plan. Use Rajoy's stupidity to make the situation so intolerable that even the most one eyed outside observer concede that they may have a point.

Fortunately for the Catalans Rajoy is as thick as shit. For example if he allowed the referendum in the first place the pro-independence side would have lost c. 60-40, today they are in a majority in Catalunya, slight but growing.

Oh and about the autonomous regions, the Partido Falangista (for that is what the PP really is, the Spanish Fascist Party) has progressively weakened Catalunya's autonomy using some very dubious means, including getting a non-quorate Supreme Court to declare an autonomy agreement between a previous Socialist government and all the autonomous regions unconstitutional, but only pursue and limit Catalunya's powers.

If I were a leader of one of the other autonomous regions, I'd be thinking "After Catalunya where is Rajoy going to focus his authoritarian tendencies?" and get very worried.

Eh... wake me up when it's Basque Country's turn to secede. Because, given that it has its own culture and a language that has no earthly relation to any other language, both of which were actively suppressed under Franco, they probably have a better claim to their own nation in my eyes.

(October 27, 2017 at 9:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Eh... wake me up when it's Basque Country's turn to secede. Because, given that it has its own culture and a language that has no earthly relation to any other language, both of which were actively suppressed under Franco, they probably have a better claim to their own nation in my eyes.

The treatment of Euskal Herria and Catalunya mirrored each other under Franco. And if Rajoy subjugates Catalunya then he'll move on Euskal Herria.

Cata-who?

Haven't determined if Catalonian mens are noticeably more attractive than the rest of the Iberians.

If any would like to stop by for a private evaluation, I can set up appointments to accommodate a fair sampling.

Thank you.

I have to admit I am unfamiliar with foreign politics. Could someone dumb this incident down for me?

(October 31, 2017 at 3:44 pm)alpha male Wrote: Cata-who?

That is to be expected from USians. you only care about yourselves. Notice this is also directed at Kit.

You surely lack education.