No, that was just an insult.

Actually, I thought it was a nicer insult than calling him a fucking idiot....as Tillerson said of Trump!

Quote:...Or would you feel angry and continue on hating the idea of God (even after learning He actually is good), hating the idea of having to "answer" to a higher being, etc?

Nice troll.

I don't think it's possible for me to find out God exists even if God does exist. Hence why you need faith (in order to believe in God).

(November 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm)Hammy Wrote: I don't think it's possible for me to find out God exists even if God does exist. Hence why you need faith (in order to believe in God).

You're supposed to see the error of you godless way, you flippin' heathen. Haven't you been paying attention? 

And you're going to hell for what you've been doing in the privacy of your bedroom. Because God loves you!

(November 1, 2017 at 7:55 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm)Hammy Wrote: I don't think it's possible for me to find out God exists even if God does exist. Hence why you need faith (in order to believe in God).

You're supposed to see the error of you godless way, you flippin' heathen. Haven't you been paying attention? 

And you're going to hell for what you've been doing in the privacy of your bedroom. Because God loves you!

I am not a flippin' flippin' heathen!

I'm a flippin' flippant heathen!

(November 1, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 7:55 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You're supposed to see the error of you godless way, you flippin' heathen. Haven't you been paying attention? 

And you're going to hell for what you've been doing in the privacy of your bedroom. Because God loves you!

I am not a flippin' flippin' heathen!

I'm a flippin' flippant heathen!

Faith means just that You understand that there are bits of information that cannot be comprehended at once.

Compare it to downloading lots of files that have been divided and packed in winrar. Unless You download all files of a given set, then extract it, then install it - and then the program can be run. Faith is the believe that if You follow certain instructions the end effect will be as promised.

Hell
Objective reality exists.
Because we are being lied to most of the time actions are taken that are not in accord with objective reality.
We build a thing called ego based on those actions - who we believe we are.
After death we get to know objective reality - and then hell is the act of self-condemnation that occurs because of the contrast of who we think we are and what we really are.

Imagine it like thinking You're a diamond, for whatever reason and later You get to look into a mirror and find out that You are less than a little piece of dirt.
Not being able to stand Your own view and runnning into a loop in which You try to keep up the diamond lie, would be as I believe hell to work. The first error given in the catholic catechism is pride. Pride implies a swollen ego etc. All other errors will have their own implications.


You have to remember that the greatest gift of existence is the possibility of love. Try to imagine what happens if You force somebody to love something or somebody else. Does that work? Free will is so important because of that reason. The value of love is so great that even allowing billions of idiots to exist is worth it (God gave people the potential for wisdom, and still they chose ignorance - but if it were to be forced upon them, love could not occur, since it can only exist under the conditions of free will). Love cannot be bought and requires lots of time to learn, but brings great reward to those who care to find out what it is.

If you want to talk about love..fine, let;s talk about love.  If you want to talk about free will, fine, let;s talk about free will.  If you want to talk about an objective reality, fine..lets talk about an objective reality.

However, if you want to talk about fairies and ghosts and torture chambers......then what do fairies and ghosts and torture chambers have to do with any of the above?

(November 2, 2017 at 6:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: If you want to talk about love..fine, let;s talk about love.  If you want to talk about free will, fine, let;s talk about free will.  If you want to talk about an objective reality, fine..lets talk about an objective reality.

However, if you want to talk about fairies and ghosts and torture chambers......then what do fairies and ghosts and torture chambers have to do with any of the above?

Ever heard of a simile, comparison and such? 

Let's say there is a person who is dumb as a donkey, nobody knows how dumb a donkey really is or if the dumbness of all donkeys is equal and still You would not discourage anybody from using expressions of this kind. If I were to say that You are dumb as a donkey, You would not argue that using a comparison is like talking about faries. If You are unable to grasp a point of a figure of speech, You shouldn't try to convince people that You know what the given is trying to accomplish. Have You ever seen a person who would be ready to give their life just to talk about faries? Isn't it obvious that the point must be lying in something completely different?

With religious images their implications are greater and can benefit more people.
Let's make an assumption just for the need of this forum, since its so atheistic. Let's assume there is no heaven and no hell.
Even in such a case the value of a soul, mind, conciousness is so great (potentialy if treated correctly) that there is no better way then to use exactly the same image to show a person how they should treat their own inner cosmos.

There are two motivators one is fear and the other is love, just use both to the maximum and You can be sure that You cannot squeeze out more out of Yourself.
As said in previous posts, most people just want to justify their lazyness and never use anything like a spiritual GYM. They build images about genetically transmited traits that would allow them to accept their dumbness. Things like inteligence are inherited genetically to such people. At the same time philosophers like John Locke who would investigate the difference between trained inteligence and inherited traits have to leave their country, because they are touching a sensitive topic.

It's like a chemical aparatus that connects many different parts to put out a chemical at the end which is beneficial. Humanity has been building this aparatus for centuries. It is not just that easy to build a newer better one. Look at the amount of people on antidepressants and the amount of people with sleeping disorders who take sleeping pills. The amount of people who are obese and suffer from depression. The amount of divorces.

If making a step back from religious world views is so beneficial why don't You show evidence on the level of society that prooves that unmotivated, depressed people are better building stones for a happy society.

So of course I want to talk about all the above, the only difference is that I am ready to use any idiolect, any kind of words as long as I am able to express a point in a precise way, You on the other hand are not ready to use anything else besides the words that have a positive connotation in Your active vocabulary. 

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It's as if there was a branch of knowledge like mathematics and You do not want to use numbers as they have been used for centuries, because You call arabic numbers faries, insisting that only Your system of numeration, that is in no way better is the only right one.
It does not matter if You say x=2 or z=2 if a function is expressed as y=ax+b or y=az+b and x=z.

Or if somebody where to express an idea in German You would not dare say that the idea is wrong just because it was expressed in a different language.
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It's a disgrace for the human species, we are just falling.

(November 2, 2017 at 3:58 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Hammy Wrote: I am not a flippin' flippin' heathen!

I'm a flippin' flippant heathen!

Faith means just that You understand that there are bits of information that cannot be comprehended at once.

Compare it to downloading lots of files that have been divided and packed in winrar. Unless You download all files of a given set, then extract it, then install it - and then the program can be run. Faith is the believe that if You follow certain instructions the end effect will be as promised.

Ahh, another definition of "faith".

Confidence in what we know exists and confidence in in similar outcomes from prior observations is not faith.  It in no way is related to belief without evidence.

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(November 2, 2017 at 3:58 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote: You have to remember that the greatest gift of existence is the possibility of love. Try to imagine what happens if You force somebody to love something or somebody else. Does that work? Free will is so important because of that reason. The value of love is so great that even allowing billions of idiots to exist is worth it (God gave people the potential for wisdom, and still they chose ignorance - but if it were to be forced upon them, love could not occur, since it can only exist under the conditions of free will). Love cannot be bought and requires lots of time to learn, but brings great reward to those who care to find out what it is.

Yada yada yada.  Please, tell us more about this thing called "love"...

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(November 2, 2017 at 7:50 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 6:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: If you want to talk about love..fine, let;s talk about love.  If you want to talk about free will, fine, let;s talk about free will.  If you want to talk about an objective reality, fine..lets talk about an objective reality.

However, if you want to talk about fairies and ghosts and torture chambers......then what do fairies and ghosts and torture chambers have to do with any of the above?

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It's as if there was a branch of knowledge like mathematics and You do not want to use numbers as they have been used for centuries, because You call arabic number faries, insisting that only Your system of numeration, that is in no way better is the only right one.
It does not matter if You say x=2 or z=2 if a function is expressed as y=ax+b or y=az+b and x=z.

Or if somebody where to express an idea in German You would not dare say that the idea is wrong just because it was expressed in a different language.
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It's disgrace for the human species, we are just falling.

We are failing, partly because people equate mythology with facts, emotional reactions with truth and choosing feeling good over critical thinking.  That, and greed.