First, some background (from Wikipedia):

Quote:The Travis Walton UFO incident was an alleged abduction of an American logger by a UFO on November 5, 1975, while working with a logging crew in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest in Arizona. Walton reappeared after a five-day search. The Walton case received mainstream publicity and remains one of the best-known alien abduction stories. Skeptics consider it a hoax.[1][2][3][4][5] Walton wrote a book about it in 1978 called The Walton Experience, which was adapted into the film Fire in the Sky in 1993, written by Tracy Tormé.[6]

He and his co-workers all passed lie detector tests:

Quote:In the days following Walton's UFO claim, The National Enquirer awarded Walton and his co-workers a $5000 prize for "best UFO case of the year" after they allegedly passed polygraph exams administered by the Enquirer and a UFO organization.[2][7] Walton, his older brother, and his mother were described by the Navajo County, Arizona sheriff as "longtime students of UFOs".[1] Some UFOlogists believe Walton was abducted by aliens. UFOlogist Jim Ledwith said, “For five days, the authorities thought he’d been murdered by his co-workers, and then he was returned. All of the co-workers who were there, who saw the spacecraft, they all took polygraph tests, and they all passed, except for one, and that one was inconclusive.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Wal...O_incident

Here he is defending his experience:





And, he maintains his story to this very day:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487397/wo...y-is-true/

Anyone here a skeptic?

Indeed I am.

(November 11, 2017 at 1:44 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Anyone here a skeptic?

lol why wouldn't we? You said it yourself they were ufo freaks and Walton and his friends were awarded money (I think it was 100k) from National Enquirer. Indeed National Enquirer is prominently displayed at the checkout counter of most supermarkets and the prize-winning case is featured each year on the front page, it would be surprising if the Waltons were not aware of the prize money, considering their long-standing interest in UFOs.

When it comes to polygraph test, that also proved to be botched. It was done by guy called George Pfeifer who supposedly worked for Tom Ezell and Associates, but then it turned out Pfeifer left that firm a month before giving Walton a test. So when later investigators asked Ezell to look at Pfeifer's charts he said it was impossible to tell whether Travis and Duane Walton were responding truthfully to the test questions. Further, Ezell said, Pfeifer had noted on the charts that he had allowed Travis to "dictate" some of the test questions he would be asked. This was a violation of basic principles of polygraphy.

Also Walton was given another examination before Pfeifer by experienced polygraph examiner Jack McCarthy who flunked him. Indeed it turned out that Pfeifer just wanted a big break, which he got since month later he became a UFO celebrity.

And even more alsos Walton was already a known criminal in burglary and forgery along with his brother. Of course as UFO celebrity he got lots of money for his books, movie rights, TV appearances, public speeches...

I'm skeptical of any unverifiable claim. Ghosts, ghouls, UFOs, bigfoot, yetis, vampires, demons, gods, etc...

When UFOlogists start bringing real evidence to the table, I'll be willing to sit for the discussion. Until then, they'll have to continue peddling their crap to the overly gullible.

(November 12, 2017 at 2:06 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(November 11, 2017 at 1:44 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Anyone here a skeptic?

lol why wouldn't we? You said it yourself they were ufo freaks and Walton and his friends were awarded money (I think it was 100k) from National Enquirer. Indeed National Enquirer is prominently displayed at the checkout counter of most supermarkets and the prize-winning case is featured each year on the front page, it would be surprising if the Waltons were not aware of the prize money, considering their long-standing interest in UFOs.

When it comes to polygraph test, that also proved to be botched. It was done by guy called George Pfeifer who supposedly worked for Tom Ezell and Associates, but then it turned out Pfeifer left that firm a month before giving Walton a test. So when later investigators asked Ezell to look at Pfeifer's charts he said it was impossible to tell whether Travis and Duane Walton were responding truthfully to the test questions. Further, Ezell said, Pfeifer had noted on the charts that he had allowed Travis to "dictate" some of the test questions he would be asked. This was a violation of basic principles of polygraphy.

Also Walton was given another examination before Pfeifer by experienced polygraph examiner Jack McCarthy who flunked him. Indeed it turned out that Pfeifer just wanted a big break, which he got since month later he became a UFO celebrity.

And even more alsos Walton was already a known criminal in burglary and forgery along with his brother. Of course as UFO celebrity he got lots of money for his books, movie rights, TV appearances, public speeches...

Point of the OP is that eyewitness testimony is often not reliable!

The Apostle Paul, the supposed disciples, etc., who supposedly saw the "Risen Savior" cannot be trusted!  Their so-called testimony is worthless.  Travis Walton and others like him, even in groups, sometimes lie, for years on end and convince others of that fact!

(November 12, 2017 at 12:39 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Point of the OP is that eyewitness testimony is often not reliable!

And even more then that considering that it takes only few minutes to check to see that these ufo cases are total fraud and yet there are millions of people that believe in them. That have this great desire to believe in them so much so that they don't care and don't bother to check it out. They don't want to hear the rational side, like Dan Aykroyd video I recently posted.
Or very recently on Halloween there was a video trending on youtube by two guys talking called "Three Bizarre Cases Of Alien Abductions". One of which is Walton's case and at some point one guy mentions Carl Sagan while the other immediately shushes him with "Will you stop with the fucking Carl Sagan already."

In 1976 I went on a backpacking trip to the supposed abduction site. A local cop told us Walton had been eating peyote.

(November 12, 2017 at 4:17 pm)chimp3 Wrote: In 1976 I went on a backpacking trip to the supposed abduction site. A local cop told us Walton had been eating peyote.

Indeed, some of the original disciples may have simply been high on wild mushrooms:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-g...cts-006051

(November 12, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 12, 2017 at 4:17 pm)chimp3 Wrote: In 1976 I went on a backpacking trip to the supposed abduction site. A local cop told us Walton had been eating peyote.

Indeed, some of the original disciples may have simply been high on wild mushrooms:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-g...cts-006051

I can personally attest that peyote was readily available in 1970's era Arizona.

It's all bullshit. Anyone can make up a story and with some degree of decent marketing, they can sell it as fact. There are gullible people on every corner.