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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am
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(December 7, 2017 at 11:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:34 am)Tizheruk Wrote: I would imagine having a fully formed toddler living inside you would be more work then one outside. In fact it would probably be fatal.
Who the heck said anything about a toddler inside the body? They come out at 9 months gestation. And those 9 months are much less demanding than the years that are to follow.
Grandizer did when he made the in and out of body reference. Then brought up toddlers .
Quote:Yeah, but not by remaining inside their mother's body. That would be even more hell for the mother.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:43 am
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(December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am)Grandizer Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:32 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah, thats my point. You claimed that a baby is "more hell for the mother" inside the body than outside of it. This is far from the truth.
Going back to the not-absurd scenarios, perhaps not for you. But every woman feels differently about having a [not-yet-born] baby in their own body. You don't mind, and that's great. You live you, and if you ever still want a baby, then I hope it happens for you.
I'm not saying whether anyone minds or not. I am specifically referring to your absurd and ignorant statement that babies are MORE "hell for the mother" while they are in the body vs while they are out.
(December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am)Tizheruk Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Who the heck said anything about a toddler inside the body? They come out at 9 months gestation. And those 9 months are much less demanding than the years that are to follow.
Grandizer did when he made the in and out of body reference. Then brought up toddlers .
Um no that's not what he meant. And if it was, it would be a really bad argument to use in favor of abortion, considering being pregnant with a toddler is impossible.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:45 am
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(December 7, 2017 at 11:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am)Grandizer Wrote: Going back to the not-absurd scenarios, perhaps not for you. But every woman feels differently about having a [not-yet-born] baby in their own body. You don't mind, and that's great. You live you, and if you ever still want a baby, then I hope it happens for you.
I'm not saying whether anyone minds or not. I am specifically referring to your absurd and ignorant statement that babies are MORE "hell for the mother" while they are in the body vs while they are out.
Except it was not ignorant . Did you read original post ?
Quote:Um no that's not what he meant. And if it was, it would be a really bad argument to use in favor of abortion, considering being pregnant with a toddler is impossible.
I don't think you quite get it
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:46 am
(December 7, 2017 at 11:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am)Grandizer Wrote: Going back to the not-absurd scenarios, perhaps not for you. But every woman feels differently about having a [not-yet-born] baby in their own body. You don't mind, and that's great. You live you, and if you ever still want a baby, then I hope it happens for you.
I'm not saying whether anyone minds or not. I am specifically referring to your absurd and ignorant statement that babies are MORE "hell for the mother" while they are in the body vs while they are out.
Methinks that's purely subjective anyway. Also, I wasn't referring to fetuses (or earlier stages). Reread my reply to Neo. Read what he said for the context. And then come at me about whether babies are better inside or outside the mother, lol ...
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:48 am
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Why the hell would he use the argument about a toddler being more hell for the mom if she was pregnant with one, if this isn't even something that happens??? How in the world is that an argument for abortion. It doesn't happen!
(December 7, 2017 at 11:46 am)Grandizer Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not saying whether anyone minds or not. I am specifically referring to your absurd and ignorant statement that babies are MORE "hell for the mother" while they are in the body vs while they are out.
Methinks that's purely subjective anyway. Also, I wasn't referring to fetuses (or earlier stages). Reread my reply to Neo. Read what he said for the context. And then come at me about whether babies are better inside or outside the mother, lol ...
You think it's subjective that babies are more demanding outside the body than in it?? LOL. Ok dude. I guess thats why they refer to first time pregnant women as experiencing their last few months of freedom before giving birth.
I'm not going to argue this extremely serious issue with idiots.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:50 am
(December 7, 2017 at 11:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why the hell would he use the argument about a toddler being more hell for the mom if she was pregnant with one, if this isn't even something that happens??? How in the world is that an argument for abortion. It doesn't happen!
In response to Neo's last response on the idea of dependence . Please keep up.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 11:52 am
(December 7, 2017 at 11:50 am)Tizheruk Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why the hell would he use the argument about a toddler being more hell for the mom if she was pregnant with one, if this isn't even something that happens??? How in the world is that an argument for abortion. It doesn't happen!
In response to Neo's last response on the idea of dependence . Please keep up.
Yep, right now, not the best moment for her.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 11:42 am)Khemikal Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:20 am)Tizheruk Wrote: True i love all righteous Christians trumpeting their supposed moral superiority . But will the majority of them roll up there sleeves and anything piratical on the issue of abortion . Nope it's much easier to be righteous and angry .
The anger is understandable. Deep sixing our horrid abortion laws and pursuing a different path -actually- led to all of the things they sold as a bill of goods for the benefits keeping abortion illegal. Not only was their brand stolen, the usurpers did it better...and the same is true of moral realism in the 21st century.
Except for that whole being right in the sight of the lord business, which is the important part....unfortunately this is not relevant to a secular countries laws nor would a secular countries laws make them somehow morally or religiously complicit to whatever it is they think fairies object to. True enough . I just hope they fail at passing anti abortion laws .Because i imagine it will take a mountain of dead woman from back alley abortions to get them to admit they were wrong .
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 11:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why the hell would he use the argument about a toddler being more hell for the mom if she was pregnant with one, if this isn't even something that happens??? How in the world is that an argument for abortion. It doesn't happen!
(December 7, 2017 at 11:46 am)Grandizer Wrote: Methinks that's purely subjective anyway. Also, I wasn't referring to fetuses (or earlier stages). Reread my reply to Neo. Read what he said for the context. And then come at me about whether babies are better inside or outside the mother, lol ...
You think it's subjective that babies are more demanding outside the body than in it?? LOL. Ok dude. I guess thats why they refer to first time pregnant women as experiencing their last few months of freedom before giving birth.
I'm not going to argue this extremely serious issue with idiots.
Extremely serious issue? Fuck you and fuck your fake drama, lol.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 11:19 am)Grandizer Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 11:14 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Again a nit-pick. Throughout the life of a human being, he or she is often dependent on others for survival. Infants cannot survive on their own either without adult care. Nor can the extremely sick or infirm.
Yeah, but not by remaining inside their mother's body. That would be even more hell for the mother.
SteveII's point stands. You continue to respond with subjective concerns. You cannot give an objective reason why the location of the human being is relevant, or an objective reason why who has responsibility for the care of the dependent human being matters, or why the subjective experience of the mother warrants giving her life and death authority over another human being.
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