This whole thing reminds me of a story I heard concerning a friend's brother who was a preacher at an evangelical church. In Portugal, these were (and still are) quite a niche market,
But still, this guy's brother was told by whoever was running the church that he was to bring in, at least, 2000€ (IIRC) every Sunday. Failure to do so, would see him replaced by someone who could get the job done.
As you may imagine, this provides an awesome incentive to convince the people to give away anything.
2000€ per week is about 8k€ per month that everyone in that church was supposed to give away willingly... this in a country where the people who go to these things are likely to make minimum wage, or some 500€/month.
A tall order... and still, in spite of it being attended by few people and most of them poor, they still made the 8k€.

Since then, I've come to regard evangelical preaching as a business.
A tax free business. A business which only requires that you speak.
So... in a way, the best business in the world?

Quote:Being Christian does not mean one is not above sin or accusation of sin or even making mistakes.

But it does mean that you are a dumb fuck for listening to these scumbags, dripshit.

(December 7, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: "Bitches be lyin!"  

It doesn't matter whether they get caught with their hands in the safe or down a guys pants..that's always the excuse..isn't it?  The marks parrot that nonsense just as readily as they parrot their religious nonsense.

People -have- been taking a look at you, Drich..perhaps it's time you took a look at yourself?  No one had to do anything to discredit you here,

What do you call a 60+ page hate fest rant where I was not invited, where I for 40+ pages was subjected (nearly) uncheck character assassination. Then when I finally did arrive I came in and silienced each and every single accusor with the truth. Are you so short minded that you forgot about that? Maybe it is you all who should look at what you have done, and can not do when I am apart of the conversation.

Quote:you discredited yourself.  You do this with regularity.

Then why haven't ANYONE OF YOU been able to hold His own with me in such an example? why must you talk in PMs and uninvited chats? Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only way I come out to be something other than what I say I am is when one of you represents me in an argument.

Quote: In this case, you presented a known con and crimer who got drummed out by his own people for being a con and a crimer..... as an example of a non scammy televangelist.  What else was going to happen, and didn't you think to do your own due diligence?

I am a member of the church how much more due diligence do you think it needed? or do you not think none of this was ever discussed?
Perhaps just maybe I being a member am privy to information your biased sources have been omitting.

What if you are wrong sport.

What if I have lived the extrodnary life I claim to have lived? What if all those interventions and good fortune is all apart of God opening the door to my knocking??

Be pretty damn hard not to believe in God huh?? It would also be pretty hard to shut me up or to have me cast doubt onto myself. huh???

So maybe ask yourself why has none of your personal attacks worked?

You'll be hated and persecuted everywhere you go, you know.  The man himself said it.  

It seems silly to complain about your obvious and completely factual martyrdom for the cross.  Not that this makes your boy any less of a grifty grifter, now does it? Your church was a scam engine. That's the way it is. No sense in getting frustrated with me for pointing it out.

(December 7, 2017 at 12:39 pm)Drich Wrote: [edit]
Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only way I come out to be something other than what I say I am is when one of you represents me in an argument.
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Please tell us again how you have/had AIDS.

(December 7, 2017 at 12:44 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You'll be hated and persecuted everywhere you go, you know.  The man himself said it.  

It seems silly to complain about your obvious and completely factual martyrdom for the cross.  Not that this makes your boy any less of a grifty grifter, now does it?  Your church was a scam engine.  That's the way it is.  No sense in getting frustrated with me for pointing it out.

you guys re all the same. confront you with undeniable proof and you turn your back and build a different snow man. You said No one here has ever persecuted me, then I remind you where everyone did and for some time minus one or two, and now you want to attribute that to simply being a christian...

Did you forget the intended subject matter or is it your how i will attack this new 'snow man' (season specific)?

You called me a liar and someone who has been treat fairly here by all of you, and because of that/and my charges I need to reexamine myself for all the lies and dishonesty...

Did you forget to whom you were speaking? Or am I quoting you out of turn and you are talking to someone else?

Again I challenge any of you who think me to be a liar to point out a supposed inconsistency to me, rather than create stuff amongest yourselves so you can collectively dismiss me with out actually having to face me personally. Why else do you think you guys have to have "secret" meetings where I don't get invited. It is so you can come up with a way to agree on something you cant collectively otherwise identify. I mean if I were a liar, then boom it would have to be discussed in a commity. If I were a outright racist or rule breaker in any way, then the vast majority would not have to discuss in a commity where my faults lie.

And to call me a liar? that is the laziest fault finding expedition one can think of... why? because I claim to know and experience God. You don't so your left with two possibilities. God for whatever reason is silent with you, or I'm a liar.

Again what if i am not a liar? is it so unfathomable that God has judged you (right now at least) as being incomplete/not ready for communication?

As far as James goes It's not about living a life free from accusation, it is how you process the recovery that makes you Christian.

Why are you babbling to me about god and how he talks to you?  Does that make grifty churches less grifty? Why are you airing your personal grievances to me? Does that make grifty churches less grifty?

Well, my thread has certainly devolved.

(December 7, 2017 at 5:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Well, my thread has certainly devolved.

It has acquired drich’s “auto” immune deficiency syndrome.