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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 5:45 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 4:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Why are you babbling to me about god and how he talks to you? Does that make grifty churches less grifty? Why are you airing your personal grievances to me? Does that make grifty churches less grifty?
because you caused me of being grifty. because you would have me do a personal inventory because a group of you got together and agreed on convicting me of lying without even speaking to me or approaching me with anything of substance... Then you want to take this same lazy ass form of discernment and apply it to a church you obviously trying to use to get under my skin...
What you still don't understand is Chruch is not about being perfect it is about making mistkes and how one handels those mistakes in forgiveness. James was charged and acted EXACTLY how we should.
You keep pressing the need for a perfect church because in your heart that is all you now of God. as simple as the plan of salvation is and how it frees you from the oppression you would use to judge the church and me, you no nothing of it. you know nothing of forgiveness nor of compassion. If you can not forgive you can not be forgiven.
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 5:45 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 5:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Well, my thread has certainly devolved.
It may be an interesting exercise to try and pinpoint where the thread began to go south.
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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I used to have aids and cancer..but now I have fast cars and lots of money. Call now and make a righteous donation to harvest church and get a FREE prayer mat!
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm
I think this is a case for House!
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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(December 7, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Drich Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 2:54 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Please tell us again how you have/had AIDS.
First I must define AIDS because most of you, even in this day an age don't understand the difference or the correlation between AIDS and HIV.
AIDS is an Auto immune deficiency syndrome. This describes a individual's inability to defend the body from infection or disease. often because of a white blood cell defecncy.
Which is how HIV get's thrown into the mix. HIV is a virus that attacks the body's ability to produce and foster a health white blood cells. Which once a white cell count goes below a certain level one is diagnosed with AIDS.
Now as I've shown it is possible to have contracted AIDS (A senerio where you healthy white cell count is low through a viral infection/HIV) but your body can also be diagnosed with AIDS without the presence of HIV. below is a list from oxford medical tht explain all the other reasons one would be diagnosised with AIDS apart from HIV.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QM0wDA...cy&f=false
Now to be honest until this last cancer thing (spent alot of time with a hematologist, Dr. Hydezenburg (spelling wrong but of german/agentinain decent if I remember correctly )I had no idea of all of this and from the early 90's when all of this happened. I had no idea as to why I showed symptoms/skin virus hundreds of skin lesions all over my chest fore arms and shoulders. So went to a doc in a box he had to look it up, and came back with a book, he read out what it was and the likely cause. "Compromised immune system typically found on patents with late stage/full blown AIDS. was made to take a test a week or two later the test came back positive, was made to retest, and in that time i made peace with God. Did not fear death as I once had. I also remember helping a co-worker who I did not like clean himself up after a blood fall he has some months or even a year or so before. told Him to get checked. (even though He has just got me fired and I was startinga new Job) Durning that time I was going in stages to have the lesion removed and 1/2 way through (I could only do so many a week as it was very painful) the rest disappeared on their own shortly after I gave up and gave what Time I had left to God. At the end of the 2nd week, the AIDS test showed I was clear.
Now fast forward to 2015 and my cancer scare That started because now for whatever reason I am over producing white cells. not only that they said they found a cancer marker? but not the protein that supposed to go with the marker, or the found a protein and no marker either way this lead to hundreds of blood tests and dozens of very invasive procedures, over a year.. the least invasive but most expensive was my cat scan. I went in and when I was scanned I could hear someone say "that doesn't look good lets get a few more of that.. then had to sit and wait for my Das doc-torb to review the scan.. He we out and checked it out of the room. he was gone like an hour. he said he had to consult with several other colleagues. He said everything looks ok, but let me ask you. ever had an adominal pain? I said no off the cuff. He said ever been punched in the adomine or been in a bad car accident or anything.. and it hit me.. I do remember being in the worst pain ever about two years prior I could not even stand up all the way. I was laying an moaning in bed, got my wife's attention and told her she needed to take me to the emergency room I think my appendix was going to burst. She asked me where it hurt I showed her and she punched me in the stomach right where I said it hurt the most. I doubled over and made my way to bed certain she just killed me. "She told me walk it off pussy" then I felt this warm feeling and everything was better. I woke up a little sore and felt fine. by the 3rd day it was all like new. So I'm walking around with a burst appendix as well. the doctor said there was no reason to go in and get it as it was inactive.
Just one more amazing thing. Aids meh, cancer BTDT, burst appendix don't recommend it but it isn't as bad as they say it is. I've had ear infctions way worse. Some hurt so bad and last so long the only way out seems like a bullet.
Anyway I share that again because during the time with the doctor after all the genetic bone marrow biopsys and everything else came back negative the doctor simply said I was one of the less than 2% of the population who's white cells run a little hot an I make a marker or protein that is typically identified with cancer. He also said it is not untypical for my cell to have fluctuated earlier in life meaning I could have ran low to the point where my immune system was compromised.
When we started this whole thing my urologist told me I have a 98% chance of having "man cancer/butt gland cancer or bladder or bone marrow cancer" When I didn't break down and cry, he asked if I understood. I said yes. I have cancer there is a 98% chance of it. the only question is where I have chocolate vanilla or strawberry. He said Mr. Rich, you need to take things seriously. What I realized then is you all work in little boxes of predictable outcomes and behaviors. and when someone if fueled by something outside of your little boxes, you become afraid, and rather try and understand why I did not break down and cry or why I wasn't scared in the least... it is easier to call me a liar or pretend that I am not aware or able to experience life on your level.
Here's the thing. What I said was absolutely true about all those years ago about being told I had AIDs having the skin leasions and (still have the scars where they freezer/burned them off) and what said about giving my self to God in a way I had not considered to that point. This was my spiritual awakening my death to self moment. where I decided to be a slave for God. Now whether that mean I served in Heaven in s short time or if I served here on earth for a while first. I decided to serve God with whatever I had, and he has blessed me for doing so.
I did not cry I was not scared at the 98% cancer not because was in denial but because I knew whatever the outcome I was doing what i was put here to do, even if it meant die with cancer. again I gave up my life and decided to work for God no matter what that meant. If it meant cancer. I'd probly be dead now, but it didn't at lest not since my last check up in march. But no that seem to be a put your favorite thing on the alter and offer it to me moment and I did. He stopped the sacrifice and gave me another job.
This one includes a car lot of cars to drive, a new house and a bigger business..
Call me on that one sport and I'll put you up for the week end and show you around. and you can ask y family of al of those things yourself.
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AIDS is Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) is a chronic, potentially life-threatening condition caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)..: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20373524 So, there is your first piece of bullshit. If you read the reference you can't contract AIDS without contracting HIV-1 (HTLV-3). AIDS is not an autoimmune deficiency. Your source discusses immune deficiency only. You lie
The test came back positive for what? HIV? That is the only way to have AIDS. Low T or B cell counts does not mean AIDS. Low counts can be caused by multiple factors. To state that it is AIDS is a lie.
Over production of white cells does not a cancer scare make. Walking around with a burst appendix is more bullshit. You lie.
A urologist would never address cancers outside of the urogenital system. You lie.
Why should I come to listen to the lies you told your family from your family. I thought that lying for god was a no no.
If you'd like to get written statements from your physicians (on their letter heads/with signatures, medical records would be better) backing up everything you have said, PM them to me. Then we'll talk
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 6:47 pm
(December 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I think this is a case for House!
I do NOT.
Nor do I drink or fucking swear!
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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(December 7, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Drich Wrote: (December 7, 2017 at 2:54 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Please tell us again how you have/had AIDS.
First I must define AIDS because most of you, even in this day an age don't understand the difference or the correlation between AIDS and HIV.
AIDS is an Auto immune deficiency syndrome. This describes a individual's inability to defend the body from infection or disease. often because of a white blood cell defecncy.
Which is how HIV get's thrown into the mix. HIV is a virus that attacks the body's ability to produce and foster a health white blood cells. Which once a white cell count goes below a certain level one is diagnosed with AIDS.
Now as I've shown it is possible to have contracted AIDS (A senerio where you healthy white cell count is low through a viral infection/HIV) but your body can also be diagnosed with AIDS without the presence of HIV. below is a list from oxford medical tht explain all the other reasons one would be diagnosised with AIDS apart from HIV.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QM0wDA...cy&f=false
Now to be honest until this last cancer thing (spent alot of time with a hematologist, Dr. Hydezenburg (spelling wrong but of german/agentinain decent if I remember correctly )I had no idea of all of this and from the early 90's when all of this happened. I had no idea as to why I showed symptoms/skin virus hundreds of skin lesions all over my chest fore arms and shoulders. So went to a doc in a box he had to look it up, and came back with a book, he read out what it was and the likely cause. "Compromised immune system typically found on patents with late stage/full blown AIDS. was made to take a test a week or two later the test came back positive, was made to retest, and in that time i made peace with God. Did not fear death as I once had. I also remember helping a co-worker who I did not like clean himself up after a blood fall he has some months or even a year or so before. told Him to get checked. (even though He has just got me fired and I was startinga new Job) Durning that time I was going in stages to have the lesion removed and 1/2 way through (I could only do so many a week as it was very painful) the rest disappeared on their own shortly after I gave up and gave what Time I had left to God. At the end of the 2nd week, the AIDS test showed I was clear.
Now fast forward to 2015 and my cancer scare That started because now for whatever reason I am over producing white cells. not only that they said they found a cancer marker? but not the protein that supposed to go with the marker, or the found a protein and no marker either way this lead to hundreds of blood tests and dozens of very invasive procedures, over a year.. the least invasive but most expensive was my cat scan. I went in and when I was scanned I could hear someone say "that doesn't look good lets get a few more of that.. then had to sit and wait for my Das doc-torb to review the scan.. He we out and checked it out of the room. he was gone like an hour. he said he had to consult with several other colleagues. He said everything looks ok, but let me ask you. ever had an adominal pain? I said no off the cuff. He said ever been punched in the adomine or been in a bad car accident or anything.. and it hit me.. I do remember being in the worst pain ever about two years prior I could not even stand up all the way. I was laying an moaning in bed, got my wife's attention and told her she needed to take me to the emergency room I think my appendix was going to burst. She asked me where it hurt I showed her and she punched me in the stomach right where I said it hurt the most. I doubled over and made my way to bed certain she just killed me. "She told me walk it off pussy" then I felt this warm feeling and everything was better. I woke up a little sore and felt fine. by the 3rd day it was all like new. So I'm walking around with a burst appendix as well. the doctor said there was no reason to go in and get it as it was inactive.
Okay, so you do appear to understand the difference between 1. Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome, and 2. Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. You cannot present with the second one unless you've first been infected with HIV. The first one can ALSO encompass a myriad of Auto Immune Diseases and disorders, both primary and secondary; many of which could allow for some persons diagnosed to be cured if the primary condition were successfully managed/addressed.
So I guess what some folks may be wondering is why you think a recovery from non-HIV AIDS is particularly miraculous, or miraculous at all. Additionally, there may be a perception that you'd been deliberately attempting to mislead people by implying that you were "miraculously" cured of HIV/AIDS (which would be more compelling) when you knew you never actually had it.
If you were only made aware of the specifics recently, however, it would just seem that you were too quick in assigning Level 5 Miraculocity to the event.
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm
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There's something to be said for a low threshold for miraculocity. People often wonder why folks keep sending televangelists their money. It's a good question..because even a glassy eyed believer knows that televangelists are slimy as shit. So...why?
Well, there are people who will wake up with a stopped toilet in the morning, watch some bible TV, make a "donation"...and when they go to deal with the toilet find that the clog has loosed. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, Praise Jesus!
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RE: Televangelists
December 7, 2017 at 9:25 pm
(December 4, 2017 at 8:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Televangelists.
We've all seen them at some time, those overdressed, fake looking people who appear on your TV late at night, or early in the morning, selling all sorts of fake "blessings" and asking you for money so they can live their extravagant lifestyles while their followers often struggle.
From Peter Popoff, who was outed as a fake by James Randi in the 80s, and is still going strong, to the appropriately named Creflo Dollar jr, and so many others, these slick conmen are milking millions of desperate people out of their money every week.
Do these people, in your opinion, have ANY redeeming characteristics?
Have you ever encountered these individuals, or any like them, in RL?
Do you have any stories about these professional crooks?
In my business I meet a lot of people. I met a man who said he was a Pentecostal preacher. I asked him about his background. Nothing he said screamed Pentecostal. So I asked why he was Pentecostal. He said, "That's where the money is".
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RE: Televangelists
December 8, 2017 at 11:27 am
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(December 7, 2017 at 5:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I used to have aids and cancer..but now I have fast cars and lots of money. Call now and make a righteous donation to harvest church and get a FREE prayer mat!
Actually I don't own anything. It all belongs to God. And He has taken it all back a few times, and because I was faithful he gave it back 10xs over. That said I have given to Jame's church as well as the one my wife likes (which I think to be just about a cult, and I've given to places and people with nothing to do with God. I just happen to believe in what they are doing.
You have a total wrong idea of God, how God works how the church is supposed to work and how I work. no wonder you hate everything all the time. If I could nly see the church through your eyes I'd hate it too.
Church is not a show case of saints, but a recovery center where even the staff are recovering addicts.
(December 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I think this is a case for House!
How sad is it when you give up God, your sources of wisdom truth and standards includes defunct tv show catch phrases.
How about "Everybody sin" was the original take on House's catch phra se the only variable is what an indivisual's sin of choice is...
In truth people lie when they feel they are lacking. or don't meet a given measure. Christianity as taught by Christ and Paul in the bible removes that standard from which we need to lie to meet. If you live with out the rule or standard shaming you, then what is their to lie about?
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