(December 7, 2017 at 4:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Why are you babbling to me about god and how he talks to you?  Does that make grifty churches less grifty?  Why are you airing your personal grievances to me?  Does that make grifty churches less grifty?

because you caused me of being grifty. because you would have me do a personal inventory because a group of you got together and agreed on convicting me of lying without even speaking to me or approaching me with anything of substance... Then you want to take this same lazy ass form of discernment and apply it to a church you obviously trying to use to get under my skin...

What you still don't understand is Chruch is not about being perfect it is about making mistkes and how one handels those mistakes in forgiveness. James was charged and acted EXACTLY how we should.

You keep pressing the need for a perfect church because in your heart that is all you now of God. as simple as the plan of salvation is and how it frees you from the oppression you would use to judge the church and me, you no nothing of it. you know nothing of forgiveness nor of compassion. If you can not forgive you can not be forgiven.

(December 7, 2017 at 5:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Well, my thread has certainly devolved.

It may be an interesting exercise to try and pinpoint where the thread began to go south.

I used to have aids and cancer..but now I have fast cars and lots of money.  Call now and make a righteous donation to harvest church and get a FREE prayer mat!

I think this is a case for House!

(December 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I think this is a case for House!

I do NOT.

Nor do I drink or fucking swear!

There's something to be said for a low threshold for miraculocity.  People often wonder why folks keep sending televangelists their money.  It's a good question..because even a glassy eyed believer knows that televangelists are slimy as shit.  So...why?

Well, there are people who will wake up with a stopped toilet in the morning, watch some bible TV, make a "donation"...and when they go to deal with the toilet find that the clog has loosed.  Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, Praise Jesus!

(December 4, 2017 at 8:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Televangelists.

We've all seen them at some time, those overdressed, fake looking people who appear on your TV late at night, or early in the morning, selling all sorts of fake "blessings" and asking you for money so they can live their extravagant lifestyles while their followers often struggle.

From Peter Popoff, who was outed as a fake by James Randi in the 80s, and is still going strong, to the appropriately named Creflo Dollar jr, and so many others, these slick conmen are milking millions of desperate people out of their money every week.

Do these people, in your opinion, have ANY redeeming characteristics?

Have you ever encountered these individuals, or any like them, in RL?

Do you have any stories about these professional crooks?

In my business I meet a lot of people. I met a man who said he was a Pentecostal preacher. I asked him about his background. Nothing he said screamed Pentecostal. So I asked why he was Pentecostal. He said, "That's where the money is".

(December 7, 2017 at 5:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I used to have aids and cancer..but now I have fast cars and lots of money.  Call now and make a righteous donation to harvest church and get a FREE prayer mat!

Actually I don't own anything. It all belongs to God. And He has taken it all back a few times, and because I was faithful he gave it back 10xs over. That said I have given to Jame's church as well as the one my wife likes (which I think to be just about a cult, and I've given to places and people with nothing to do with God. I just happen to believe in what they are doing.

You have a total wrong idea of God, how God works how the church is supposed to work and how I work. no wonder you hate everything all the time. If I could nly see the church through your eyes I'd hate it too.

Church is not a show case of saints, but a recovery center where even the staff are recovering addicts.

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(December 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I think this is a case for House!

How sad is it when you give up God, your sources of wisdom truth and standards includes defunct tv show catch phrases.

How about "Everybody sin" was the original take on House's catch phrase the only variable is what an indivisual's sin of choice is...

In truth people lie when they feel they are lacking. or don't meet a given measure. Christianity as taught by Christ and Paul in the bible removes that standard from which we need to lie to meet. If you live with out the rule or standard shaming you, then what is their to lie about?