(December 29, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 11:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure why it has to be a girls vs boys competition between which issues is "more important." Seems silly, imho.

I agree with you semantically. While I don't believe men have as many problems with equality as women, I don't think any individual problems are more important than others intrinsically or because of the gender of the person having a problem.

Right. Its like saying cancer is worse than aids so any awareness brought to aids isn't warranted bc cancer is worse. I mean, what the fuck??

(December 29, 2017 at 12:12 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Lol @ people talking on behalf of "men". Take a seat and talk for yourself, just because you don't need your issues solved doesn't mean others don't as well. If you think your issues are miniscule compared to women's issues then you can ignore YOUR issues, you don't get to make decisions on behalf of more than a billion other living men. Don't be ridiculous.

Also, thinking the mra people raise a issue like "women don't sleep with me" is completely ridiculous, a lie and also most probably projection. The thought process is probably "I'm a man and the only issue I have is I can't sleep with women so every other man's issue is they can't sleep with women as well, that is ridiculous you can't complain about not being able to sleep with women, what losers".

Welcome to a thread where women are being spoken for almost entirely by men at this point.

(December 29, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You brought feminism into the mix with your OP, by posting a video of a feminist. It fairly demands that the merits of her feminism be discussed.  Your frustration at that being in this discussion is puzzling.

What video are you talking about? And I don't understand how your post follows mine (the one you are responding to).

I'm sorry, I stand corrected. You referred to The Red Pill, but didn't post it. That doesn't negate the point I'm making, which is that when you write:

(December 19, 2017 at 1:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [...] At the end of the documentary she says she no longer calls herself a feminist and is now a supporter of Men's Rights.

[...] and that many feminist movements are out of line in making themselves the victims all the time and actually being against men.

-- discussing the merits of her feminism, and your take on it, is very apt. You certainly had no problem offering your own opinion of feminism, but get frustrated when others don't share your outlook and instead offer their own?

You opened the discussion yourself. It's a good discussion.

(December 29, 2017 at 12:32 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 11:21 am)Shell B Wrote: I still haven’t said they are equal, so ...

... and I haven't attributed that to you. Matter of fact, I agreed with you right inside the post you quoted.

I then added my own musings. <shrug>

Maybe use formatting to your advantage? You added the but directly after your statement to me. If it wasn't directed at me, maybe a paragraph break would have helped.

Quote:Yeah, I'm a man ... I knew that already. There are indeed men with legitimate complaints. But MRA and feminist movements are sure not equal and that's because the grievances aren't equal.

It sounds an awful lot like you're arguing a point I never made and that is entirely irrelevant to any of the points I've made. I never started this balancing act of whose issues are worse.

(December 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm)Shell B Wrote: Welcome to a thread where women are being spoken for almost entirely by men at this point.

Is a vagina a requirement for seeing institutional discrimination, and discussing it?

(December 29, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Wilfully blind to reality and yet wants to act like she gets it. Only someone with an anti-feminist agenda would say that men and women have it equally bad in a clearly patriarchal world. Yes, men do have disadvantages but they are relatively minor to the disadvantages faced by women. And no, your experience doesnt count nor does it contradict what is said here because no one here is saying that there arent women who are encouraged to apply for a white collar job. But of course you will continue to spout egalitarian nonsense like a broken record because you just prob arent wired at this stage to see the reality members here keep talking about. Youre living in your own bubble where you are and have no reason to open your eyes.

Oh shut up.

I never said they have it equally bad. That is specifically NOT the point. Holy fuck, talking to you is seriously fucking impossible.

So say it then. Say that women have it worse than men in this patriarchal world, while saying that men have disadvantages that nevertheless deserve to be addressed, even though they pale in comparison to what women have to go through.

Do you agree with the statement above?

Also, here's what you could've done for a thread instead of this current thread.

You could've pointed out in your OP that women face a lot of issues that need addressing, and they are worth continuing to address in this world that clearly privileges men over women. But for this thread, I'd like to talk about the disadvantages men face in this patriarchical world as well, but of course without taking away from the fight for women's rights. What are some of the issues that men have, and what can we do to fix them?

Something like that.

Instead, you made your OP about a biased propaganda video made by a former feminist who "realized" feminism just didn't cut it for her anymore after realizing MRAs (clearly known for the ugly things they have said about women) had some "good" points to make. Your remark that she used to be "very feminist" clearly shows what your stance is on this matter (btw, I note you did not deny you had an anti-feminist agenda), and you really came up with this thread to have a go at feminism just as much as talk about men's issues.

I'm glad quite a number of members saw through this bullshit.

(December 29, 2017 at 12:41 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:32 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: ... and I haven't attributed that to you. Matter of fact, I agreed with you right inside the post you quoted.

I then added my own musings. <shrug>

Maybe use formatting to your advantage? You added the but directly after your statement to me. If it wasn't directed at me, maybe a paragraph break would have helped.

Quote:Yeah, I'm a man ... I knew that already. There are indeed men with legitimate complaints. But MRA and feminist movements are sure not equal and that's because the grievances aren't equal.

It sounds an awful lot like you're arguing a point I never made and that is entirely irrelevant to any of the points I've made. I never started this balancing act of whose issues are worse.

Well, gosh, I didn't realize I was submitting for publication. I was just adding a couple of thoughts in the hope of getting opinions, rather than editing tips.

Oh well, you go on with your own thang then, I'll stop trying to discuss this any more.

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(December 29, 2017 at 6:58 am)pool the matey Wrote: I knew I had heard about this somewhere, so I did a quick Google search and got this. Give it a read and you'll get an idea of what goes in the background. http://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/ea...79850.html

I'm getting ready for a walk, I'll read it when I return. Thanks for putting it up.

(December 29, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What video are you talking about? And I don't understand how your post follows mine (the one you are responding to).

I'm sorry, I stand corrected. You referred to The Red Pill, but didn't post it. That doesn't negate the point I'm making, which is that when you write:

(December 19, 2017 at 1:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [...] At the end of the documentary she says she no longer calls herself a feminist and is now a supporter of Men's Rights.

[...] and that many feminist movements are out of line in making themselves the victims all the time and actually being against men.

-- discussing the merits of her feminism, and your take on it, is very apt. You certainly had no problem offering your own opinion of feminism, but get frustrated when others don't share your outlook and instead offer their own?

You opened the discussion yourself. It's a good discussion.

I'm not sure how you've drawn all those conclussions.

1. I said "many feminist movements are out of line in being against men." I wasn't giving an opinion on feminism in general.

2. I'm not sure what you mean about "discussing the merits of her feminism." I somply said that the documentary is about a woman who started out calling herself a feminist and now says she no longer does. Which is true.

3. I'm not "frustrated about people's opinions on feminism." I'm frustrated at people having a problem with others saying some men's issues are valid. Im frustrated with people having a problem with a person being for womens rights but choosing not to use the lable of feminist on themselves. Im frustrated about people calling ME anti feminist for simply saying some men's issues are worthy of discussion.

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(December 29, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh shut up.

I never said they have it equally bad. That is specifically NOT the point. Holy fuck, talking to you is seriously fucking impossible.

So say it then. Say that women have it worse than men in this patriarchal world, while saying that men have disadvantages that nevertheless deserve to be addressed, even though they pale in comparison to what women have to go through.

Do you agree with the statement above?

Also, here's what you could've done for a thread instead of this current thread.

You could've pointed out in your OP that women face a lot of issues that need addressing, and they are worth continuing to address in this world that clearly privileges men over women. But for this thread, I'd like to talk about the disadvantages men face in this patriarchical world as well, but of course without taking away from the fight for women's rights. What are some of the issues that men have, and what can we do to fix them?

Something like that.

Instead, you made your OP about a biased propaganda video made by a former feminist who "realized" feminism just didn't cut it for her anymore after realizing MRAs (clearly known for the ugly things they have said about women) had some "good" points to make. Your remark that she used to be "very feminist" clearly shows what your stance is on this matter (btw, I note you did not deny you had an anti-feminist agenda), and you really came up with this thread to have a go at feminism just as much as talk about men's issues.

I'm glad quite a number of members saw through this bullshit.

Ok dude, I will be SURE to say "But women have it worse!" ...Every time I bring up a man's issue, as not to offend your sensibilities. I'll remember what the ridiculous annoying little man from atheist forums told me (a woman) to do.

(And FYI, my remark that she used to be "very feminist" is the premise of the doc, not my opinion. The doc starts of with her explaining how she was a feminist activist and had previously made a documentary about women's rights, etc. That remark was me explaining what the doc is about, it wasn't my personal opinion I was giving of her.)

(December 29, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm)Shell B Wrote: Welcome to a thread where women are being spoken for almost entirely by men at this point.

Is a vagina a requirement for seeing institutional discrimination, and discussing it?

Laughable. I seem to recall you responding to my comments about male discrimination with a sarcastic, "I'm a man. I know."

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(December 29, 2017 at 12:48 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Well, gosh, I didn't realize I was submitting for publication. I was just adding a couple of thoughts in the hope of getting opinions, rather than editing tips.

Here we go again. You submitted a post that was ambiguous about its direction to me or whether it was just a ramble. You got pissy with me about how it wasn't directed at me. I pointed out that it wasn't clear, and I explained why. Now, this. You're a real dickhead, Thump. I don't care if I get a warning about it. You don't even try to have reasonable conversations with me. You're just snarky and then blame it all on me when I tell you off for it. Pfft.

(December 28, 2017 at 10:38 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: There is a damn good reason to be suspicious of male feminists . As a many creeps use feminism as a pick up line .And their have been cases were creeps have used feminist credentials to molest women. As for your notion that i go looking for anti male stuff on the site . These were the most recent and some of the highest rated posts on the site so it's clear the anti male stuff you insist infests the feminist reddit is not there. And i never said there were no negative posts but if they exist (thou i have not found any yet. And i frequently read and know people on feminist reddit   ) they are a blip. Compared to MRA leaders stating the kind of stuff above . So yeah there is that .

What you call being a creep, I call getting laid.  Amirite ladies?  We are such pigs.

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(December 29, 2017 at 11:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure why it has to be a girls vs boys competition between which issues is "more important." Seems silly, imho.

I don't disagree but I agree with the Thumpster that women's grievances constitute a greater harm than do men's.

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(December 29, 2017 at 11:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 2:08 am)pool the matey Wrote: Lmao that is so ridiculous, do women really fall head over heels for men that are feminists? If that's the case I can be a feminist as well

Not me. If a man respects women and sees us as equal in value and dignity, i will know because he'll show it in his actions and the way he treats us. No need to come out and tell me he's a feminist, and if he constantly made it a point to let me know he was one, i would find it pretty annoying and strange, like he was trying to show of his SJWness or something. No thanks.

Wow, a real live (okay, online) catholic lady dissing social justice warrioring.  I like it.