B-b-but, the Ark... and kinds... and stuff.

(December 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: B-b-but, the Ark... and kinds... and stuff.

I hate sappy empathetic people like you hating genocide. You take all the fun out of it.

(December 31, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 31, 2017 at 9:53 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: B-b-but, the Ark... and kinds... and stuff.

I hate sappy empathetic people like you hating genocide. You take all the fun out of it.

I know. I'm such a stick in the mud.

FFS, Huggy, can you comprehend the rest? Inbreeding is causing defects and shrinking the size of litters. And that's in less than 40 years. It will only get worse, to the point of extinction, unless outside breeding stock is introduced.

Which is exactly what we've been saying all along. Yeah, a population of animals can start with just one mating pair, but in the long run it won't survive. The genetic deficiencies will simply snowball until what's left is some combination of broken, weak, and/or sterile. And it's not like this is some kind of profound knowledge. Livestock farmers have known this forever.

The fact is if these wolves were on your Ark, none would exist by now.

Seriously huggy you are a moron . Just because two wolves CAN produce offspring . DOES not mean they will breed a healthy stable population . Instead as all the fucking evidence i just presented to you . It will result in drive toward genetic degradation and   extinction. Which is a defect caused by in inbreeding .Now fuckwit times that by your absurd belief that every species started out as only 2 animals . And use that stunted pink thing between your ears.

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(January 1, 2018 at 12:24 am)KevinM1 Wrote: FFS, Huggy, can you comprehend the rest?  Inbreeding is causing defects and shrinking the size of litters.  And that's in less than 40 years.  It will only get worse, to the point of extinction, unless outside breeding stock is introduced.

Which is exactly what we've been saying all along.  Yeah, a population of animals can start with just one mating pair, but in the long run it won't survive.  The genetic deficiencies will simply snowball until what's left is some combination of broken, weak, and/or sterile.  And it's not like this is some kind of profound knowledge.  Livestock farmers have known this forever.

The fact is if these wolves were on your Ark, none would exist by now.

No i fully expect him to continue to try and bullshit the his way out . But i really don't care . The creatures on the Ark would all be dead by now or being extremely generous on the verge of extinction. The only way out is proposing a miracle or pushing his ignorance of the difference of cellular evolution .

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(January 1, 2018 at 12:24 am)KevinM1 Wrote: FFS, Huggy, can you comprehend the rest?  Inbreeding is causing defects and shrinking the size of litters.  And that's in less than 40 years.  It will only get worse, to the point of extinction, unless outside breeding stock is introduced.

Which is exactly what we've been saying all along.  Yeah, a population of animals can start with just one mating pair, but in the long run it won't survive.  The genetic deficiencies will simply snowball until what's left is some combination of broken, weak, and/or sterile.  And it's not like this is some kind of profound knowledge.  Livestock farmers have known this forever.

The fact is if these wolves were on your Ark, none would exist by now.

By the way very good summary 

(January 1, 2018 at 12:38 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Seriously huggy you are a moron . Just because two wolves CAN produce offspring . DOES not mean they will breed a healthy stable population . Instead as all the fucking evidence i just presented to you . It will result in drive toward genetic degradation and   extinction. Which is a defect caused by in inbreeding .

Your claim:

(December 31, 2017 at 7:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Inbreeding threatens the wolf . Therefore this does not support the idea two creatures can create a thriving stable population . And is indeed a massive defect caused by inbreeding .

Again, these quotes are all from YOUR OWN SOURCES.

(December 31, 2017 at 7:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:The Scandinavian wolf population was founded in the 1980s by only two individuals. This has subsequently led to intense inbreeding, which is considered a long-term threat to the population.

Quote:Inbreeding does not seem to have hurt the Scandinavian population so far, but Flagstad says there have been some effects.

*emphasis mine*
It states CLEARLY that "inbreeding does not seem to have hurt the Scandinavian population so far". If the population were rife with defects then that statement makes no sense.

Are you implying that your own source is incorrect?

(January 1, 2018 at 12:38 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Now fuckwit times that by your absurd belief that every species started out as only 2 animals . And use that stunted pink thing between your ears.

Can you math?

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. - Genesis 7

14 clean beasts, 4 unclean...

Also the only requirement was they be of the same species (in order to produce fertile offspring), they didn't need to belong to the same breed so to speak.