(January 5, 2018 at 8:22 am)paulpablo Wrote: Everyone should kill under the right circumstances.  The only problem is the amount of times the police kill when it isn't reasonable and get away with it.  The general public might debate which of those times is reasonable but the law judging the police usually comes to the same conclusion that they're innocent.

For the reasons I stated above.

As long as you have a flooded market, and as long as you have fearful cops and fearful society, you wont reduce either gun deaths or conflicts with law enforcement. 

It is way past time to tell the firearm industry to get with the program or get the fuck out of the way. It is way past time to tell the NRA to fuck off. 

I agree, cops should not be playing judge, jury and executioner. But it is hard to expect them not to fear when they constantly face an armed public.

(January 5, 2018 at 8:11 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I can think of plenty of circumstances where lethal force would be required. 

Apparently not required in what you watched.

We had one last year.  Man was driving erratically and was pulled over at an ice cream stand.  He became agitated and started loading a rifle in his vehicle.  He was shot immediately upon exiting.

For some reason, these do not get as much attention in the news however.

(January 5, 2018 at 8:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 5, 2018 at 7:47 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: In Europe, in most situations a baton would suffice, yet in US, for some reason, cops need to carry guns even when standing up to a 4year old child.

I'm pretty sure, that if they where only dealing with four year old children, then most of the time, baton and tasers would probably be adequate.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or actually do believe that a baton or taser is suitable for dealing with a 4 year old.

(January 5, 2018 at 8:34 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(January 5, 2018 at 8:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I'm pretty sure, that if they where only dealing with four year old children, then most of the time, baton and tasers would probably be adequate.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or actually do believe that a baton or taser is suitable for dealing with a 4 year old.

Thanks for asking.... yes being sarcastic.  As well as the "most of the time" qualifier which proceeded it.

Could we have a list of the times cops DON'T shoot?

For instance, a cop has burst into my house four times in five years.

He did CPR on me and waited for the ambulance.

He lives across the street.

Because bad peiple exists among EVERY group. Let's not judge every cop based on the small minority of them that are bad, when the majority will risk their own lives to protect us.

(January 5, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 5, 2018 at 8:34 am)Mathilda Wrote: I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or actually do believe that a baton or taser is suitable for dealing with a 4 year old.

Thanks for asking.... yes being sarcastic.  As well as the "most of the time" qualifier which proceeded it.

Glad to hear it! As a non-American the gun situation over there seems crazy (as well as many other things) so I thought that it was best to check.

(January 5, 2018 at 7:01 am)pool the matey Wrote: Just saw another video of a woman getting shot to death by cops. This is absolutely disgusting, why do people tolerate this?

People pay the cops to protect them. They're called public SERVANTS, that's what they're called. Why are people that pay these cop's salaries being shot to death I'll never know. The killing part should only be reserved for military and specialized forces, not the cops. I personally  think cops shouldn't be allowed to kill, the government should value the life of it's citizens and protect it not be so carefree with lives.

Bad guy using a child as a human shield. He starts stabbing the child. Should the cops kill him?

Boru

(January 5, 2018 at 9:17 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(January 5, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Thanks for asking.... yes being sarcastic.  As well as the "most of the time" qualifier which proceeded it.

Glad to hear it! As a non-American the gun situation over there seems crazy (as well as many other things) so I thought that it was best to check.

As an American, one that lives in the countryside, and one who doesn't own a firearm, where a large part of the population does., I think that much of the craziness around guns is over-hyped.   Not that there is not issues, but a gun is only the means, and not the overall problem.

(January 5, 2018 at 9:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Could we have a list of the times cops DON'T shoot?

For instance, a cop has burst into my house four times in five years.

He did CPR on me and waited for the ambulance.

He lives across the street.

Still not the point. 
It is STILL about long term policy making. Most cops are good. Most citizens want to obey the law and NOT get shot, just like cops want to make it home alive.
BUT again, as long as we collectively as a nation, in urban, suburban, and rural areas, lack livable wages, lack affordable health care, and have crappy firearm laws that are Swiss cheese, we are are always going to have our flooded market and lack of trust between cops and society.