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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:12 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 10:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It's 390 you're looking for. The passage which directly follows the ones you just quoted. It leaves no room for some "tendency to sin" re-interpretation of original sin. They mean adam and the whole bit, literally, in real history.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:18 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 9:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Banned Wrote: Your interpretation of original sin is Biblical, but the Catholic church does not have that view, even though you are a Catholic.
Uh ok
Yeah, Banned is REALLY good at telling everyone else what we think.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 10:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
In this case he's absolutely right. She possesses a heterodox interpretation of something officially settled in catholic doctrine, but doesn't realize it....
-and because of this presents it as acceptable catholic doctrine..thus misrepresenting her own faith.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:20 pm
Broken clock?
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:35 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Banned Wrote: Admitting you're a sinner is generally only a problem for narcissists.
They hate to think that they are prone to make mistakes, which they make more often than anyone else.
The comments on this thread suggest that Atheism is the perfect religion for narcissists.
IDK, Banned, dedicated narcissists might prefer Christianity. After all, denying one's own faults is only part of narcissism. The real fun is in pointing out faults in others while you do so.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 10:18 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 9:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Uh ok
Yeah, Banned is REALLY good at telling everyone else what we think.
I see that. Him and several others.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 10:49 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 10:57 pm by vulcanlogician.)
(January 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -it's worth reading
Wow.
Quote:...but he expressly affirms the contrary in the fourteenth verse: "But death reigned", not only over those who imitated Adam, but "even over them also who have not sinned after the similitude of the transgression of Adam." Adam's sin, therefore, is the sole cause of death for the entire human race. Moreover, we can discern no natural connection between any sin and death.
I like how physiological causes aren't even considered. "Since we observe no causal link between an individual's sin and death, the only other possible alternative is that Adam's sin is responsible. Therefore, the doctrine of original sin." And all the baggage that comes with it...
(January 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 10:18 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Yeah, Banned is REALLY good at telling everyone else what we think.
I see that. Him and several others.
If it's any consolation, I think Khemkal is being unrealistic in his expectation that all Catholics conform to every edict contained within the Catechism. My family is Catholic. Most use birth control and engage in other behaviors frowned upon by the Papacy. It doesn't represent cognitive dissonance to differ with the Church on certain things, and it doesn't make them any less Catholic.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 11:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I certainly don;t have any such expectation..and I laud them from falling from their absurd faiths - I don't believe that shit either....so I'm sympathetic.
If they want to pronounce authoritatively, however, on "the catholic position" - then they better get their shit right. Bare minimum effort. We all know that the religious have a tendency not to believe their own professed religions..but do -they- realize they have that tendency? No, they get snippy about it, lol...despite being informed of nothing other than both the truth, and the "truth" as told by their religion.
It's to this, and to the messenger, which they are objecting. Parse that. They'll denounce the doctrine of the RCC if a mean old atheist is the one that brings it to them, lol. Asses, and holes in the ground, it seems to me.
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:17 pm
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(January 17, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Banned Wrote: Admitting you're a sinner is generally only a problem for narcissists.
They hate to think that they are prone to make mistakes, which they make more often than anyone else.
The comments on this thread suggest that Atheism is the perfect religion for narcissists.
Do you realize that Vulcanlogical expressly conceded at the start of this thread that, stripped of the religious trappings, he would have no problem conceding that he has (secular) sinned, regrets it but recognizes he will no doubt let himself down again in the future.
You hold the "atheists are narcissists" as a properly basic belief, don't you?
(January 17, 2018 at 7:48 pm)Banned Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 7:40 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The moment you refer to atheism as a religion is the moment you lose any credibility you MAY have had.
And since "sin" is a religious concept, most atheists don't recognise it.
Everyone makes mistakes, and no atheists will say different.
When we talk about mistakes we are talking morality. And since that term is out of the question with atheists, they cannot admit making mistakes.
More of your basic canon that atheists are incapable of morality? Your ignorance and prejudice are showing. Apparently you have no shame. Is morality over your head?
(January 17, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Banned Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 9:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What exactly am I reinterpreting? This is what I was taught in my Catholic school and Catholic upbringing.
Some of the more old school folks take the literal approach to Original Sin - that Adam and Eve ate an apple and we literally inherited their sin genetically. And that's fine too.
Doesn't matter whether you take the literal approach or not, the take away point is that as human beings we all have an inherent tendency to sin, aka original sin.
Your interpretation of original sin is Biblical, but the Catholic church does not have that view, even though you are a Catholic.
You sure grant yourself an enormous amount of expertise, don't you? I look forward to seeing a line through your appropriate username. You are definitely on that path.
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