(February 3, 2018 at 7:31 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 7:17 am)alpha male Wrote: No part of it. What they didn't disclose is that Steele was paid to produce the dossier by the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And the republicans don't forget, they started it and the DNC took it over.

But the memo itself is nothing without the detailed rebuttal that they now want to suppress.
Its like being able to say whatever shit you want and denying any dissent, like all proper dictatorships do.

Today's GOP is not even close to the Party Of Lincoln or Teddy. Considering the orange snake in charge, it seems to keep moving to fascism. 

45 is literally Putin's lapdog and Putin is loving it. The erosion of our checks on power is exactly what Russia and China want. 

But America is not sunk yet. YET, I think if enough sane people raise their voices now and boot 45 and the GOP we can stop the bleeding and fix this shit. But that starts now and with every sane voice now.

(February 2, 2018 at 5:32 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 2:49 pm)A Theist Wrote: The FISA warrant was obtained using the unverified Steele Dossier as its basis.

Do you have evidence of that? The memo says it "formed an essential part" of the FISA application. That doesn't mean the same thing as being its basis. There's no mention of any other evidence that was used in the application. I believe this is a point of contention with the FBI and Democrats.

Quote:Parts of it corroborated? Not good enough. Mixing lies with a few truths isn't good enough. It's still deception.

Er...yeah it is good enough. If you have a document that has a mixture of lies and truth, but you are only using the corroborated parts as evidence, why would that not be fine? It's only deception if the FBI took parts of the dossier that weren't corroborated and tried to present them as absolute truth.

Quote:What other facts are you aware of that have been omitted?

The fact that the memo says the dossier was paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign, when actually the original funding came from a Republican. That's a pretty important fact considering the memo tries to present the dossier as a partisan hit job.

The memo also states that the FISA application said Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News, but he admitted to it in court. That would definitely be evidence that the FBI lied on the FISA application, except that the court date for Steele's admission was May 18, 2017, well after the FISA application. In other words, the FBI didn't lie, they were mistaken.

Quote:The Democrats are only opposing this because they want to keep the Russia witch Hunt investigation front and center through to the mid terms. They're not interested in justice or the truth.

Again, do you have any actual evidence of that? I could say the same thing about the ridiculous number of Benghazi investigations that went nowhere. I'm sure you'd argue they were all necessary in the name of justice and truth, right?

(February 2, 2018 at 2:52 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: This is not the investigation of a crime to determine who was responsible. This is an investigation of a person to determine what unknown crime he might have committed. Usually there is a crime before a criminal investigation. What crime exactly was committed? Collusion is not a crime. This is not a criminal investigation. It is a counter-intelligence operation, one apparently funded by and sourced from an opposing political party during an election. And none of that bothers you?

The actual task of the investigation is to find "any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". Bolding mine, because it's important.

In more broader terms, it arose from several intelligence agencies concluding that with a high degree of certainty, Russia attempted to interfere with the US election. There is plenty of evidence of that.

This is a criminal investigation, which should be obvious from the fact that 4 people have already been charged with crimes. I fail to see how an investigation which began with a Republican FBI director (Comey), and later had a Republican deputy attorney general (Rosenstein) hire a Republican (Mueller) special counsel to perform the investigation, is in any way a counter-intelligence operation for the Democrats. This goes beyond party loyalty, this is, and always has been, about a notorious foreign adversary trying to interfere with our democracy. That should bother everyone.

1. Yes. The memo states that that it "formed an essential part" of the FISA warrants. It was the key element and the foundation for those warrants, which, in its "infancy", had only been "minimally" corroborated by the FBI. It was also testified by former DAG, Bruce Ohr, who had contact with Christopher Steele, that Steele said he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president". Christopher Steele, a British spy who was trying to undermine our election process along with others within the FBI who also was trying to undermine the Trump campaign and now his presidency. Also, Comey, briefed President Trump on the dossier, calling it, "salacious and unverified". Other sources for FISA warrants, a Yahoo news article that focused on Carter Page's trip to Moscow in July of 2016....and the source for that article, Christopher Steele..."This article does not corroborate the Steele Dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News".  
So yeah, I would say that it was pretty much the basis for the FISA warrants. (bolding mine, for direct quotes from the memo).

2. If you have a "salacious and unverified" document that is intended to undermine a political opponent and that is only "minimally corroborated", it's not good enough. ( bolding mine, for quotes from the memo).

3. Yes. The original funding came from a Republican, (McCain ?), but it was abandoned only to be picked up by the Hillary Campaign and the DNC.

At the very least it shows a level of incompetence by some higher ups within the FBI and the DOJ who hated President Trump to rush unverified evidence to the FISC to obtain FISA warrants.

4. Just my opinion, as I'm sure you have yours. This isn't over with yet. There's more stuff coming out. So we'll see.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nationa...bi-n844381

(February 3, 2018 at 11:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nationa...bi-n844381

NBC, a left leaning news source that has a strong anti GOP bias. 

Here's a different view point

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5725227569001...show-clips

(February 3, 2018 at 12:12 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 11:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nationa...bi-n844381

NBC, a left leaning news source that has a strong anti GOP bias. 

Here's a different view point

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5725227569001...show-clips

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HA HA HA HA HA HA

Yea, Fox is Un's wet dream.

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Fox is to "news" like decapitation is a cure for cancer.

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Sad part about you blindly swallowing their crap, is that we are seeing the same behavior out of Trump we saw out of Nixon, and when media reports facts, like the Post did with Nam and Watergate, your blind loyalty to a party overrides any rational objective reasoning.

Fox was never news. It is a propaganda machine.

(February 3, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 12:12 pm)A Theist Wrote: NBC, a left leaning news source that has a strong anti GOP bias. 

Here's a different view point

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5725227569001...show-clips

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HA HA HA HA HA HA

Yea, Fox is Un's wet dream.

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Fox is to "news" like decapitation is a cure for cancer.

I thought the same about your link. BAH HA HA HA HA HA HA! 

It's obvious that no one so inclined needed any memo to peddle fake news and alternative facts.  Makes me wonder why the Traitor Caucus went through the trouble of implicating themselves so publicly. The rank and file are making up their own alternative facts -about- the memo anyway.

(February 3, 2018 at 12:12 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 11:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nationa...bi-n844381

NBC, a left leaning news source that has a strong anti GOP bias. 

Here's a different view point

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5725227569001...show-clips

If NBC is left leaning, what do you suppose Fox News is?

The fuckhead thinks they are "fair and balanced" because they say so.

Apparently we no longer need investigative bodies anymore.  The way the WLB and his republicunt allies see things all you have to do is, if you are accused of wrongdoing, have one of your pals write a memo that says you didn't do it.  Case closed.  I wonder what the FOX FUX would say if the dems tried that?

(February 3, 2018 at 1:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 12:12 pm)A Theist Wrote: NBC, a left leaning news source that has a strong anti GOP bias. 

Here's a different view point

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5725227569001...show-clips

If NBC is left leaning, what do you suppose Fox News is?

Left leaning?

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(February 3, 2018 at 1:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The fuckhead thinks they are "fair and balanced" because they say so.

Apparently we no longer need investigative bodies anymore.  The way the WLB and his republicunt allies see things all you have to do is, if you are accused of wrongdoing, have one of your pals write a memo that says you didn't do it.  Case closed.  I wonder what the FOX FUX would say if the dems tried that?

That's funny coming from a shit head who routinely cites bullshit articles from wrong rawstory.