Posts: 15452
Threads: 147
Joined: June 15, 2015
Reputation:
88
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 11:20 am
Unfortunately there are times where people work hard, do everything right in life, and have good health insurance... but still aren't able to keep up with the extremely high costs when plagued with a difficult and long term diagnoses.
My best friend is currently going through this. Two years ago her symptoms started and have rapidly progressed. As of today she's been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, and autoimmune hepatitis. She needs ongoing care for these chronic life long conditions and is in constant pain. It hurts to breathe, she says, because it stretches her rib cage. It hurts to lay because she is laying on herself and everything hurts. She still manages to drag herself up everyday and work her 12 hour desk job, which is a small miracle in and of itself, but doesn't know how much longer she can do that as her condition continues to progress.
She's finally now starting to go into dept from all the medical bills and still has to keep paying for new visits, treatments, etc. She has good insurance, but that just goes to show how expenssive it all is. It is very expenssive. She's never done anything wrong in her life - doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, never done drugs, never done any sort of risky things... She's just a regular, quiet person, a homebody.
I'll admit I don't know anything about economics and don't really have a "plan" for how to fix this. But I do think there needs to be better options somehow.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
Posts: 1897
Threads: 33
Joined: August 25, 2015
Reputation:
27
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 11:43 am
Republicans: AFFORDABLE CARE ACT DIDN'T SAVE HIM! SO OUR SOLUTION IS TO MAKE HEALTHCARE LESS AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM SINCE THEY"RE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, AND CHEAPER FOR ALL OF US HARD WORKERS WHO WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH NOT TO GET SICK!
Until this shitty attitude changes, we're never going to get the solution we need (universal healthcare)
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
Posts: 18503
Threads: 79
Joined: May 29, 2010
Reputation:
125
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 11:50 am
(February 4, 2018 at 11:43 am)Divinity Wrote: Republicans: AFFORDABLE CARE ACT DIDN'T SAVE HIM! SO OUR SOLUTION IS TO MAKE HEALTHCARE LESS AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM SINCE THEY"RE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, AND CHEAPER FOR ALL OF US HARD WORKERS WHO WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH NOT TO GET SICK!
Until this shitty attitude changes, we're never going to get the solution we need (universal healthcare)
We have in portugal, while I consider it a good thing, political solutions hasnt come easy. and we are emerging out of a badass crisis caused somewhere in an american bank in 2009.
I will just ket you bigots with big guns rule the world. >You live there and it is your responsability. If we get too testy you will just bring a bunch of carriers and bomb the shit out of us.
Might makes right.
Posts: 11697
Threads: 117
Joined: November 5, 2016
Reputation:
43
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 4:17 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2018 at 4:37 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:Seriously, you think that people with a poor work ethic are just as likely to have wealth as those with a strong work ethic?
Yup you can be lazy as fuck and make fortune people have . And you can be smart and hard and wind up poor as dirt people do . Thus blaming people for their own poverty is bullshit. And even on the off chance we could that's no excuse for letting people suffer needlessly .
And even if people do risky things that's not a reason to let them die
![[Image: rjp2anavz9.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=fakeposters.com.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fresults%2F2018%2F02%2F04%2Frjp2anavz9.jpg)
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb
Posts: 6851
Threads: 76
Joined: October 17, 2012
Reputation:
31
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 4:59 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2018 at 5:07 pm by John V.)
(February 4, 2018 at 11:20 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Unfortunately there are times where people work hard, do everything right in life, and have good health insurance... but still aren't able to keep up with the extremely high costs when plagued with a difficult and long term diagnoses.
My best friend is currently going through this. Two years ago her symptoms started and have rapidly progressed. As of today she's been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, and autoimmune hepatitis. She needs ongoing care for these chronic life long conditions and is in constant pain. It hurts to breathe, she says, because it stretches her rib cage. It hurts to lay because she is laying on herself and everything hurts. She still manages to drag herself up everyday and work her 12 hour desk job, which is a small miracle in and of itself, but doesn't know how much longer she can do that as her condition continues to progress.
She's finally now starting to go into dept from all the medical bills and still has to keep paying for new visits, treatments, etc. She has good insurance, but that just goes to show how expenssive it all is. It is very expenssive. She's never done anything wrong in her life - doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, never done drugs, never done any sort of risky things... She's just a regular, quiet person, a homebody.
I'll admit I don't know anything about economics and don't really have a "plan" for how to fix this. But I do think there needs to be better options somehow.
I've had two family members die from rheumatoid arthritis. Hate to say it, but doctors make it worse.
(February 4, 2018 at 4:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Seriously, you think that people with a poor work ethic are just as likely to have wealth as those with a strong work ethic?
Yup
Then you're a fucking moron.
Quote:you can be lazy as fuck and make fortune people have . And you can be smart and hard and wind up poor as dirt people do . Thus blaming people for their own poverty is bullshit.
Anecdotes of exceptions don't disprove the rule.
(February 4, 2018 at 11:43 am)Divinity Wrote: Republicans: AFFORDABLE CARE ACT DIDN'T SAVE HIM! SO OUR SOLUTION IS TO MAKE HEALTHCARE LESS AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM SINCE THEY"RE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, AND CHEAPER FOR ALL OF US HARD WORKERS WHO WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH NOT TO GET SICK!
Until this shitty attitude changes, we're never going to get the solution we need (universal healthcare)
First, no, the GOP isn't working to make health care less affordable. The ACA is still in place you know.
Second, why do you specify Republicans? Democrats have had all the power before, and we didn't get universal healthcare. They could have. They didn't. Next time they're in power...they still won't.
Posts: 11697
Threads: 117
Joined: November 5, 2016
Reputation:
43
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm by Amarok.)
![[Image: latest?cb=20150521231542]](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/1/1d/Timmydeathbang.png/revision/latest?cb=20150521231542)
Timmy: I have 13 tickets, now. Is that enough?
Man behind the counter: Oh, sorry Timmy, but you need 15 tickets to live.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb
Posts: 6851
Threads: 76
Joined: October 17, 2012
Reputation:
31
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 5:19 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2018 at 5:32 pm by John V.)
(February 4, 2018 at 4:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
You should make one that says: Sorry Mom, when the government pays for health care it gets rationed, and there wasn't enough for you:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...ealth-care
Quote:When Sharon Shamblaw was diagnosed last summer with a form of blood cancer that could only be treated with a particular stem cell transplant, the search for a donor began. A Toronto hospital, 100 miles east of her home in St. Mary's, Ontario, and one of three facilities in the province that could provide the life-saving treatment, had an eight-month waiting list for transplants.
Four months after her diagnosis, Shamblaw headed to Buffalo, New York, for treatment. But it was too late. She died at the age of 46, leaving behind a husband and three children, as detailed by the Toronto Star.
Tens of thousands of Canadians seek helath care - at their own expense - outside the country each year:
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/numb...tudy-finds
Quote:In 2014, 52,513 Canadians travelled beyond our borders to seek medical treatment, compared with 41,838 in 2013. The numbers suggest that the Canadian health care system could not comply with the needs and demands of a substantial number of Canadian patients, according to the study.
So guess what...Canada, or any country with "universal" health care, actually has a two-tiered system. The poor sit on waiting lists to get mediocre service. Those with money just go somewhere else. If the US adopts such a system (which I don't actually oppose), the same would happen.
(February 4, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
Timmy: I have 13 tickets, now. Is that enough?
Man behind the counter: Oh, sorry Timmy, but you need 15 tickets to live.
Yep, good example of Canadian health care.
(February 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A-M loves the republicunt health care plan. That is, "if you're rich enough to go to a doctor you can. Otherwise, fucking die you poor piece of trash." No one will ever confuse you with a humanitarian, A-M.
As opposed to the Democunt health care plan, which is: "if you're rich enough to go to a doctor you can. Otherwise, fucking die you poor piece of trash."
Or the Canadian: "if you live long enough for your turn to come up, you can go to a doctor. Otherwise, die if you're poor, go to America if you can afford it."
(February 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Aegon Wrote: Lol. TIL that all health insurance plans are equal, I guess. I'll tell you right now that if it weren't for Medicare Part B I wouldn't have been able to afford dialysis treatments or a kidney transplant. Good ol Nixon gave kidney patients socialism in the 70s. Other people aren't so lucky.
I don't oppose Medicare.
(February 3, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Aegon Wrote: Nobody, including you, should be allowed to dictate who lives and who dies by acting like certain people deserve access to health care and others don't.
But that's exactly what happens with universal health care. The government decides what resources to devote to healthcare, that amount isn't enough, and people die on waiting lists.
(February 3, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: ![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmX1bkychwU_HK86w7ywP...6venE5tsPj]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmX1bkychwU_HK86w7ywPaxmouDIgeAb2abB7AX-6venE5tsPj)
Of course, the difference is that gun rights advocates aren't saying that everyone has a right to a gun from the government.
(February 3, 2018 at 5:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: What happens to everyone who's not so lucky to have a job that pays for health insurance?
Why is everything luck with you guys? Never heard of cause and effect?
Posts: 11697
Threads: 117
Joined: November 5, 2016
Reputation:
43
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2018 at 5:46 pm by Amarok.)
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb
Posts: 19644
Threads: 177
Joined: July 31, 2012
Reputation:
92
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 5:40 pm
Alpha, your example is pathetic.... the search for a donor boils down to luck.
The more people you have, the easier it is to find a matching donor.
Also, thousands of Americans seek cancer treatment in.... Cuba!
Socialized health care is not either you have to wait, or go to some other country and pay up.
In Portugal, there are public hospitals that are part of the national health service and you get healthcare for nearly nothing and you have to wait, because there's tons of people in the same situation and the resources are limited.
In parallel, there are private hospitals and clinics where people with insurance and money to spend go. Easy peasy!
But, when the insurance caps out and you need more care than you can go on affording, you get transferred to a public hospital, where profit is not the goal.
Maybe you'd rather have people with incomplete treatments get thrown out to do it at home?...
Posts: 6851
Threads: 76
Joined: October 17, 2012
Reputation:
31
RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 4, 2018 at 5:49 pm
(February 4, 2018 at 5:38 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Both Canada and the US ration health care
http://evidencenetwork.ca/how-healthcare...ed-states/
[url= https://www.susanrosenthal.com/articles/...-rationing[/url]
Yes, of course they do. With modern technology, no country could afford all possible health care for every single person.
Quote:All your bullshit myths refuted
https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/go...-care.html
Uses 15-year-old data: " Source: “,” Health Affairs, May 2002."
https://www.denverpost.com/2009/06/04/de...are-myths/
This one is from 2009, and is one person's opinion without references to any facts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...e6af4e8446
Per this one: "But when it came to specialists, 29 percent of adults waited two months or longer, compared with 6 percent in the United States. In Canada, 18 percent of adults waited four months or longer for an elective surgery, compared with 7 percent in the United States." You should really read further than the headline.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michelle-co..._23290639/
Per this one: "The true ideological problem of Canadian health care is our fondness for pretending we don't already have a two-tier system. Data on health outcomes indicates that people wealthy enough to live in, or drive to, the city have much better access to health care than those who don't. With the continued dismantling of rural hospitals and concentration of services in urban centres, this slippery slope of a trend will likely continue."
Do we need to continue?
|
