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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 5:21 pm
(February 6, 2018 at 3:22 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 6, 2018 at 2:36 pm)Shell B Wrote: Today I learned that getting a visa into Canada is free, citizenship is guaranteed and it's free to move all of your belongings and leave your family/friends behind! That's a much better idea than fixing the problems with our country.
Bitching isn't fixing.
Either we need to expect people to take some amount of personal responsibility for their health care, or we need to move to single payer. The dems had their chance to fix it, and they gave us the current program which you guys are all saying is practically worthless.
Nowhere NEAR worthless. It's done some incredible things. Too many for me to go into without some serious time on my hands. It also opened up Americans' minds to how many benefits they can actually get from their insurer when insurance companies can't penalise them for needing health insurance.
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 5:26 pm
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 5:40 pm
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(February 6, 2018 at 4:55 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 6, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup and then it all goes straight to hell .
So the solution is...?
(February 6, 2018 at 5:21 pm)Aegon Wrote: Nowhere NEAR worthless. It's done some incredible things. Too many for me to go into without some serious time on my hands. It also opened up Americans' minds to how many benefits they can actually get from their insurer when insurance companies can't penalise them for needing health insurance.
So it's done incredible things, but for the guy in the article and thousands of others it's worthless. Is that correct?
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 5:44 pm
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(February 6, 2018 at 4:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Perhaps. But, what about the person with a $500/month prescription? Or the person who needs an MRI, but the imaging center won’t perform the test until they’re paid in full? Not everyone gets to just ‘start a tab’.
^^^ This. ^^^
I had to pay for an ACL reconstruction + MRI + appointments with the surgeon almost completely out of pocket last year. I had $7500 in out of pocket costs in addition to premiums. $6000, up front. Now, I happened to have the money. If I didn't, I could get credit and manage the debt. For a lot of people, the best option would be to put it on a credit card with usurious rates, or take out a home equity loan.
So what's a guy who does manual labor, but doesn't have the scratch, or the credit supposed to work with a blown out knee? Or the bartender who needs a hip replacement like my younger brother?
The view from middle class America is can be pretty myopic.
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm
(February 6, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (February 6, 2018 at 4:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Perhaps. But, what about the person with a $500/month prescription? Or the person who needs an MRI, but the imaging center won’t perform the test until they’re paid in full? Not everyone gets to just ‘start a tab’.
^^^ This. ^^^
I had to pay for an ACL reconstruction + MRI + appointments with the surgeon almost completely out of pocket last year. I had $7500 in out of pocket costs in addition to premiums. $6000, up front. Now, I happened to have the money. If I didn't, I could get credit and manage the debt. For a lot of people, the best option would be to put it on a credit card with usurious rates, or take out a home equity loan.
So what's a guy who does manual labor, but doesn't have the scratch, or the credit supposed to work with a blown out knee? Or the bartender who needs a hip replacement like my younger brother?
The view from middle class America is can be pretty myopic.
So the solution is...?
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 6:02 pm
(February 6, 2018 at 3:22 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 6, 2018 at 2:36 pm)Shell B Wrote: Today I learned that getting a visa into Canada is free, citizenship is guaranteed and it's free to move all of your belongings and leave your family/friends behind! That's a much better idea than fixing the problems with our country.
Bitching isn't fixing.
Either we need to expect people to take some amount of personal responsibility for their health care, or we need to move to single payer. The dems had their chance to fix it, and they gave us the current program which you guys are all saying is practically worthless.
This is a discussion forum, so you have absolutely no way of knowing whether people here do more than just talk about healthcare reform. Talking helps work out the problems and guide people on how to vote/help in other ways. Besides, you bitch about plenty on here, and I sincerely doubt you've done shit to back up your right-wing lip service.
We do expect people to take a certain amount of personal responsibility for their healthcare. How much should be based on ability, age, income, etc. I think we should move to single payer as well. As for the dems having a chance to fix it. That's bullshit. When the time came to fix it, they were blocked by Republicans. Then, the ultimate Rep. douchebag made his way into office on the promise of single payer and then screwed the pooch hard for both Republicans and Democrats.
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 6:17 pm
(February 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: (February 6, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: ^^^ This. ^^^
I had to pay for an ACL reconstruction + MRI + appointments with the surgeon almost completely out of pocket last year. I had $7500 in out of pocket costs in addition to premiums. $6000, up front. Now, I happened to have the money. If I didn't, I could get credit and manage the debt. For a lot of people, the best option would be to put it on a credit card with usurious rates, or take out a home equity loan.
So what's a guy who does manual labor, but doesn't have the scratch, or the credit supposed to work with a blown out knee? Or the bartender who needs a hip replacement like my younger brother?
The view from middle class America is can be pretty myopic.
So the solution is...?
Oddly, alpha, I was waiting for you to suggest one. Anyone can offer slings and arrows. If you are only bringing criticism, you're indistinguishable from noise.
I advocate universal health care paid for via general fund taxes. Research bears out that developed nations with such systems achieve better results than the USA, with less per capital expenditure, and have for quite some timem I realize that doesn't align with your ideological viewpoint, but frankly, I don't value politics based on ideology that achieves poor results. I vote GOP until 8 years ago. Their ideas suck.
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 8:02 pm
Thread closed by mistake.... Carry on
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 8:05 pm
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If you ask the same questions......
(February 6, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Gee..idk, leveraging some portion of 18.5trillion dollars to make that a historical footnote in the richest country the world has ever seen?
Or, I guess we could blame you for "not working hard enough".
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RE: Man Uses $1m Win To Finally Visit Doctor, Gets Terminal Cancer Diagnosis, Dies
February 6, 2018 at 8:19 pm
Yeah i was wonder why that happened 
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