(February 27, 2018 at 6:49 am)Grandizer Wrote: The author of that article is a bigoted asshole too. So are the commenters there as well. Nasty bigoted fucks.

It really gets my back up.. Why on earth can't certain people get on with their lives and leave other people alone to get on with theirs? These 'normal' people who speak to invisible sky wizards, need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Wow Neo, you're somewhat obsessed with this subject aren't you.

Interesting! Born female, identifies as male. Wants to wrestle against males. Rules say you must wrestle under the gender on your birth certificate. Wins state championship again in the female division. Is booed by crowd:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/texas-trans...52085.html

(February 26, 2018 at 9:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(February 26, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Kind of a thorny issue for LBGT activists it seems to me.

TIFFANY on PJ MEDIA

I generally agree with the writer of the article in the sense that it isn't fair forcing real women athletes to compete against men pretending to be women.

Or against biological women who happen to be very tough and athletic? Maybe we should move those to compete against men instead!

Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women, not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

Quote: “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

Quote:Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women, not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever. 

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent 

Assertion assertions assertion tsk tsk 

Quote:“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

Anecdotal evidence

Not to mention most of they opponents were butthurt losing to they

(February 27, 2018 at 9:05 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women, not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever. 

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent 

Assertion assertions assertion tsk tsk 

Quote:“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

Anecdotal evidence

Not to mention most of they opponents were butthurt losing to they

I'm sure you know more than a pro fighter who actually fought again Fallon Fox. I can assert my opinion, because it's backed up by experience in the sport. Same with this volleyball player, how come they weren't so dominant in male volleyball? Or the weightlifter who shattered the women's weightlifting records but was an sub average male poowerlifter compared to the top competition.

(February 27, 2018 at 8:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(February 26, 2018 at 9:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Or against biological women who happen to be very tough and athletic? Maybe we should move those to compete against men instead!

Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women,  not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.

Couldn't you pretty much say the same thing about Serena Williams in women's tennis? Or in the past, Martina Navratilova? I don't follow much of women's sports, so can't think of examples beyond tennis, but man or woman, some players just simply have a huge advantage over others.

Quote:We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

Quote: “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

If she's an abnormally strong woman (which I'm sure she is), then let it be a good motivator for her to beat Fallon Fox next time. Men have to deal with that as well when competing against more powerful men. And by the way, Fallon Fox apparently has lost at least once, so that means it's not impossible for her to be beaten.

(February 27, 2018 at 8:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(February 26, 2018 at 9:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Or against biological women who happen to be very tough and athletic? Maybe we should move those to compete against men instead!

Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women, not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

Quote: “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct (despite all the biological women they are being unfair to). If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

(February 27, 2018 at 10:17 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 8:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Except that the women that tiffany is dominating against ARE those very tough and athletic women and obviously Tiffany still has a huge advantage. That argument only works if trans women were competing against average women,  not against the cream of the athletic crop, and if they were at the top of their field before they transitioned. Obvious neither of those are true, so I don't know how people can say it makes no difference or whatever.  

We've seen trans women who were sub par male athletes come over and dominate womens athletics as men. I do jiu jitsu and have a lot of knowledge about martial arts, watch Fallon Fox dominate the opposition in competition, it's clear it's not from overwhelming skill but rather brute force. Consider this quote by Fallon Foxes opponent

Honestly I wouldn't bother trying to reason with folks about this. I left a couple of comments and that's it. No use in trying to point out something so obvious with brick walls thinking they are being all politically correct. If people refuse to see reason and logic, there's nothing you can do.

Yeah, look who's talking about logic and reason.