I don't see her teammates complaining.

(February 27, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't see her teammates complaining.

And even if they did . Big deal .

Again like, people don't really know against sports though. I can watch the Fallon Fox mma fights and see it's shit technique and just brute force.

Just need a good knowledge about one of these sports and you can see the advantage for yourself. A good base in understanding various steroids, and how testosterone through puberty effects development would be good too. People don't know anything about any of that and just want to pick a side, so they pick the side of trans people because that is the side they are always on, then repeat a few shitty arguments they read on the internet but it's all just nonsense.

By the end of my life I predict trans women will hold all of the significant women's sports records if this is allowed to continue and a separate league isn't created. You've seen all the weightlifting records smashed, and trans women have only been allowed to compete for a couple of years and are a tiny tiny percent of the population. It's just allowing a certain group of people to have an artificial advantage you don't allow to others.

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(February 27, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't see her teammates complaining.

People rarely do when they are getting an unfair advantage.

(February 27, 2018 at 8:07 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 7:27 pm)Grandizer Wrote: In the case of male to female, transsexual sportspeople are being weakened artificially in order for the competition to be fair with other women. Not boosted. Just to be clear ... in case this wasn't before.

No shit, and then they compete against someone who had to go through puberty without male levels of testosterone. The difference there is huge. For example,  the person this thread was about played in a Belgium c level pro league, and then transitions and immediately sets records as a pro in Brazil, which has one of the strongest pro volleyball leagues. To deny that artificial advantage is insane.

Could be partly due to experience in the men's league. Remember, she's been artificially weakened in order to play in the women's league.

Anyway, we're working with a very small sample here, and there's a lot of social/environmental factors we need to consider as well. Let's not jump to rash conclusions and panic in the process.

(February 27, 2018 at 8:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Again like, people don't really know against sports though. I can watch the Fallon Fox mma fights and see it's shit technique and just brute force.

Just need a good knowledge about one of these sports and you can see the advantage for yourself. A good base in understanding various steroids, and how testosterone through puberty effects development would be good too. People don't know anything about any of that and just want to pick a side, so they pick the side of trans people because that is the side they are always on, then repeat a few shitty arguments they read on the internet but it's all just nonsense.

By the end of my life I predict trans women will hold all of the significant women's sports records if this is allowed to continue and a separate league isn't created. You've seen all the weightlifting records smashed, and trans women have only been allowed to compete for a couple of years and are a tiny tiny percent of the population. It's just allowing a certain group of people to have an artificial advantage you don't allow to others.

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(February 27, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't see her teammates complaining.

People rarely do when they are getting an unfair advantage.

Dude. Why do you think trans women are going to come in and take all the trophies home? You seem to think men(testosterone) is greater than women in really any sport. You know that gymnastics needs a lot of flexibility and women have this ability more? So that's one sport you don't want to worry the TRaAaAnNnS women stealing all your precious medals and trophies, are you at least a little bit happy now? Next thing, sports does not begin and end with BRUTE STRENGTH because if that were the case you'd see the people that compete for "world's strongest man" dominate all the sports imaginable, I mean, would it surprise you if a world's strongest man failed in an arm wrestling with a professional? See, every sport is different, and more often than it's the technique that triumph not brute strength. If brute strength was the deciding factor then the gym rats should be the best fighters MMA or otherwise. So really that's a huge misconception. Going to the next one, it's another huge misinformation that you have about trans women that make you think they're going to steal all the women's medals. I mean, think about it, trans women DON'T want to be men. I don't want to stereotype but you really can't imagine a hotshot working out 3 hours, super athletic, really the embodiment of a typical guy until he's 28 and suddenly decide he's trans and want to change, see if that were the case I'd give it to you but that's not how it works at all(again, I don't to stereotype but i want to explain to you that what you're probably picturing in your head is not the norm at all). If you're trans you'll know at a very young age, so really you're going to bring yourself up the same way as everybody else. Like for example, a trans boy would do sports, work out, you know, that kind of thing and a trans girl would do what girls do, it's not the rule but I imagine that would be the trend. So I think your misconception really is that trans women are these muscle machines of men that get a chance to compete with women. That's wrooooooooongggggg and this isn't even about pc or whatever, this is about educating you that the thing you're imagining in your head is most definitely not the norm at alllllllllllll. Seriously dude, trans women don't want to be mennnnnn at alllllllllllll, they would gladly give away all these test to some poor 60 year old that can't get an erection, they can't and trust me they hateeeeee ittttt that's why they're transssssssssssssss.

I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

(February 28, 2018 at 12:19 am)wallym Wrote: I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

Hey, I was pretty good at soccer back in my teens and twenties, and a really fast runner (at least at the amateur level). And this, without much training. These days, a bit of a slob admittedly.

(February 27, 2018 at 11:38 pm)pool the matey Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 8:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Again like, people don't really know against sports though.  I can watch the Fallon Fox mma fights and see it's shit technique and just brute force.  

Just need a good knowledge about one of these sports and you can see the advantage for yourself. A good base in understanding various steroids, and how testosterone through puberty effects development would be good too. People don't know anything about any of that and just want to pick a side, so they pick the side of trans people because that is the side they are always on, then repeat a few shitty arguments they read on the internet but it's all just nonsense.

By the end of my life I predict trans women will hold all of the significant women's sports records if this is allowed to continue and a separate league isn't created. You've seen all the weightlifting records smashed, and trans women have only been allowed to compete for a couple of years and are a tiny tiny percent of the population.  It's just allowing a certain group of people to have an artificial advantage you don't allow to others.

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People rarely do when they are getting an unfair advantage.

Dude. Why do you think trans women are going to come in and take all the trophies home? You seem to think men(testosterone) is greater than women in really any sport. You know that gymnastics needs a lot of flexibility and women have this ability more? So that's one sport you don't want to worry the TRaAaAnNnS women stealing all your precious medals and trophies, are you at least a little bit happy now? Next thing, sports does not begin and end with BRUTE STRENGTH because if that were the case you'd see the people that compete for "world's strongest man" dominate all the sports imaginable, I mean, would it surprise you if a world's strongest man failed in an arm wrestling with a professional? See, every sport is different, and more often than  it's the technique that triumph not brute strength. If brute strength was the deciding factor then the gym rats should be the best fighters MMA or otherwise. So really that's a huge misconception. Going to the next one, it's another huge misinformation that you have about trans women that make you think they're going to steal all the women's medals. I mean, think about it, trans women DON'T want to be men. I don't want to stereotype but you really can't imagine a hotshot working out 3 hours, super athletic, really the embodiment of a typical guy until he's 28 and suddenly decide he's trans and want to change, see if that were the case I'd give it to you but that's not how it works at all(again, I don't to stereotype but i want to explain to you that what you're probably picturing in your head is not the norm at all). If you're trans you'll know at a very young age, so really you're going to bring yourself up the same way as everybody else. Like for example, a trans boy would do sports, work out, you know, that kind of thing and a trans girl would do what girls do, it's not the rule but I imagine that would be the trend. So I think your misconception really is that trans women are these muscle machines of men that get a chance to compete with women. That's wrooooooooongggggg and this isn't even about pc or whatever, this is about educating you that the thing you're imagining in your head is most definitely not the norm at alllllllllllll. Seriously dude, trans women don't want to be mennnnnn at alllllllllllll, they would gladly give away all these test to some poor 60 year old that can't get an erection, they can't and trust me they hateeeeee ittttt that's why they're transssssssssssssss.

The bold and italics are mine.

What do you mean that's not how IT works?  It's not one all encompassing thing and it works in one way and if you can't imagine it working that way then it doesn't.

Plenty of guys go through entire military careers then transition afterwards.  Think about the most famous trans woman in the world, used to be a pro athlete in male athletics until late on in life.

The trans woman this thread is talking about competed as a man before competing as a woman and didn't transition until later in life.

How can you type in a thread and say you can't imagine this scenario happening when the thread is about the very scenario you say you can't imagine.  Leaving aside the whole debate about trans women competing in sports, your outlook seems to be a bit confused.

(February 28, 2018 at 12:19 am)wallym Wrote: I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just conservatives tending to be shit human beings, so when any discussion comes up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

(February 28, 2018 at 12:53 am)paulpablo Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 11:38 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Dude. Why do you think trans women are going to come in and take all the trophies home? You seem to think men(testosterone) is greater than women in really any sport. You know that gymnastics needs a lot of flexibility and women have this ability more? So that's one sport you don't want to worry the TRaAaAnNnS women stealing all your precious medals and trophies, are you at least a little bit happy now? Next thing, sports does not begin and end with BRUTE STRENGTH because if that were the case you'd see the people that compete for "world's strongest man" dominate all the sports imaginable, I mean, would it surprise you if a world's strongest man failed in an arm wrestling with a professional? See, every sport is different, and more often than  it's the technique that triumph not brute strength. If brute strength was the deciding factor then the gym rats should be the best fighters MMA or otherwise. So really that's a huge misconception. Going to the next one, it's another huge misinformation that you have about trans women that make you think they're going to steal all the women's medals. I mean, think about it, trans women DON'T want to be men. I don't want to stereotype but you really can't imagine a hotshot working out 3 hours, super athletic, really the embodiment of a typical guy until he's 28 and suddenly decide he's trans and want to change, see if that were the case I'd give it to you but that's not how it works at all(again, I don't to stereotype but i want to explain to you that what you're probably picturing in your head is not the norm at all). If you're trans you'll know at a very young age, so really you're going to bring yourself up the same way as everybody else. Like for example, a trans boy would do sports, work out, you know, that kind of thing and a trans girl would do what girls do, it's not the rule but I imagine that would be the trend. So I think your misconception really is that trans women are these muscle machines of men that get a chance to compete with women. That's wrooooooooongggggg and this isn't even about pc or whatever, this is about educating you that the thing you're imagining in your head is most definitely not the norm at alllllllllllll. Seriously dude, trans women don't want to be mennnnnn at alllllllllllll, they would gladly give away all these test to some poor 60 year old that can't get an erection, they can't and trust me they hateeeeee ittttt that's why they're transssssssssssssss.

The bold and italics are mine.

What do you mean that's not how IT works?  It's not one all encompassing thing and it works in one way and if you can't imagine it working that way then it doesn't.

Plenty of guys go through entire military careers then transition afterwards.  Think about the most famous trans woman in the world, used to be a pro athlete in male athletics until late on in life.

The trans woman this thread is talking about competed as a man before competing as a woman and didn't transition until later in life.

How can you type in a thread and say you can't imagine this scenario happening when the thread is about the very scenario you say you can't imagine.  Leaving aside the whole debate about trans women competing in sports, your outlook seems to be a bit confused.

I mean you can't really know much about their personal lives but really my point was people don't wake up one day and decide they're trans, it's a looonngggg process and usually they know at a very young age as well but you know the stigma and I know the stigma so it's really not unimaginable for them to hide it. There was a super famous scene in survivor where a douchebag outed a guy on tv and it was a whole thing, so really, the stigma is big and I can imagine the pressure to be big as well.