(March 5, 2018 at 2:18 am)Banned Wrote:

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(March 4, 2018 at 6:58 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Theists worldview(usually):

God pops himself in to existence or exists for eternity - OK!

Universe pops in to existence or exists for eternity - NOT OK! Satan's lies.

Can the existence of anything be from nothing?

Our interpretation of what constitutes an existence, probably revolves around space and time, so it is fair to say, like Hawking suggests, that if those two did not exist, then there is nothing?

You simply cannot answer those kind of questions. "God's Magic did it" is even worst answer.

(March 5, 2018 at 2:42 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(March 5, 2018 at 2:18 am)Banned Wrote:

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Can the existence of anything be from nothing?

Our interpretation of what constitutes an existence, probably revolves around space and time, so it is fair to say, like Hawking suggests, that if those two did not exist, then there is nothing?

You simply cannot answer those kind of questions. "God's Magic did it" is even worst answer.

There's a few people that keep on about the question of God, but I'm not discussing that.
We are talking about the ideas of something vs nothing. etc.

Or let's name them existence and non existence.

Existence can be defined, by space and tiime, and the absence of those is nothing, or non existence,
unless_______________
there are other forces where time and space are irrelevant - and those kind of forces have been considered by science.

Let's just say that the space time values we experience, are limited by the speed of light or whatever paramenters people can think of...
Can you image space time parameters so extreme - that our continuim is just a dot, or practically nothing?

For example,

Imagine stepping into a dark wall, which puts you into every place in the universe at once, but doesn't allow you to experience it because there's no time.

Or imagine stepping into a shaft of light, and you are shrunk down to nothing, but you exist forever, past, present and future, but you can't know it because you don't occupy any space.

These are the kind of things that have been considered.

(March 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(March 3, 2018 at 7:09 pm)Banned Wrote: String theory appealed to me when I first read it. I like aspects of all the main theories, and see plenty of overlapping.

Science wants to have a formula that accounts for matter which only considers what is observable or measureable, even if only in theory.
Which is somewhat consistent with the practice and application of scientific thinking.
While one theory will account for one phenomenon, it will fail where another doesn't. You would think that if we picked the best of each theory we'd have a better picture.

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Good question, but we are discussing the treatment of the topic by the scientific and philosophical communities.

I know some people have fearfully belched out "sky god," so I'll wait until their fever dies down and they start communicating without being so immotive.

My response to your question belongs in the religious section, because I go by what the Bible contains.
But in this section, I am willing to explore the way people handle these topics, which they have pretty much covered.

So, let me make a prediction.  You’re going to attempt to poke holes in scientific explanations for the universe, so that you can turn around and say, “See?!  Science can’t explain it!” while at the same time refusing to provide your own explanation, or simply pointing to the Bible.  Am I far off here?

And even failing at that

And to answer your OP: no, I don’t believe ‘nothing’ is a logical possibility. Nothing cannot be any kind of thing, by its very definition. “Nothing” cannot exist in contrast to “something”. When people say “something from nothing”, they’re really saying “something from something else.” I think reality, whatever it is, has always existed and always will, because there is no logical alternative.

(March 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So, let me make a prediction.  You’re going to attempt to poke holes in scientific explanations for the universe, so that you can turn around and say, “See?!  Science can’t explain it!” while at the same time refusing to provide your own explanation, or simply pointing to the Bible.  Am I far off here?

I agree with scientific observations.

(March 5, 2018 at 4:28 am)Banned Wrote:

(March 5, 2018 at 2:42 am)purplepurpose Wrote: You simply cannot answer those kind of questions. "God's Magic did it" is even worst answer.

There's a few people that keep on about the question of God, but I'm not discussing that.
We are talking about the ideas of something vs nothing. etc.

Or let's name them existence and non existence.

Existence can be defined, by space and tiime, and the absence of those is nothing, or non existence,
unless_______________
there are other forces where time and space are irrelevant - and those kind of forces have been considered by science.

Let's just say that the space time values we experience, are limited by the speed of light or whatever paramenters people can think of...
Can you image space time parameters so extreme - that our continuim is just a dot, or practically nothing?

For example,

Imagine stepping into a dark wall, which puts you into every place in the universe at once, but doesn't allow you to experience it because there's no time.

Or imagine stepping into a shaft of light, and you are shrunk down to nothing, but you exist forever, past, present and future, but you can't know it because you don't occupy any space.

These are the kind of things that have been considered.

Those kind of questions are just an empty chatter and speculation. They are useless - no benefits.

(March 5, 2018 at 1:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And to answer your OP: no, I don’t believe ‘nothing’ is a logical possibility. Nothing cannot be any kind of thing, by its very definition. “Nothing” cannot exist in contrast to “something”. When people say “something from nothing”, they’re really saying “something from something else.” I think reality, whatever it is, has always existed and always will, because there is no logical alternative.

That's the general philosophical view on "nothing."

However scientifically speaking, it is used as a comparison to something.

Space and time - the parameters which can be used to define existence, are they just terms of observation, to decribe dimensions, or are they caused by a physical power or law?

It is said that the BB created space and time.

Are space and time products of something physical...?

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(March 6, 2018 at 2:37 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Those kind of questions are just an empty chatter and speculation. They are useless - no benefits.

Thought exercises are similar to physical exercise. Not everyone is in to it.