(March 8, 2018 at 5:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: ...God, by definition, is supernatural.

Before you describe god's characteristics it would be prudent to first prove he exists.

(March 8, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 3:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Huggy, at the end of the day you have a picture of light.  Even your expert says that it’s light. That’s all it ever was, and that’s all it will ever be.  You have no evidence that this light is god, let alone the Judeo-Christian god of the Bible.  (Hell, maybe it’s the light of Odin’s essence trying to communicate to the masses that they’re being mislead by a false religion!).  The only thing you have evidence of is light.  And, last I checked, light is a pretty natural occurrence around these here parts.

At 9:26 you'll hear him state "he's here, the holy spirit".
At 16:52 you'll hear him mention the Light, following some lady.

It's best to get the full context though.

You have what appears to be, for all intents and purposes, an ‘old days’ televangelist asserting that god is present, and that there is a light above a woman’s head.  You have no evidence of this alleged light above her head, and no evidence that the light in the photo is god. An assertion that it is god is not evidence that it is. You simply take Branham at his word?  Why on earth would you do that? Tell me, Huggy; how much money have you wired to Nigerian princes over the years?

(March 8, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Succubus Wrote:

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(March 8, 2018 at 10:21 am)SteveII Wrote: ...You are confusing cause and effect. While the effect will be seen in accordance with the laws of nature, that in no way means that the cause has to be. Thinking that the immaterial, omnipotent creator of the universe consists of or is bound by physical laws is really really messed illogical thinking...

Explain how an immaterial entity can interact with a material universe.


Show your work.

Simple. 

1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)

(March 8, 2018 at 6:25 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Succubus Wrote:

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Explain how an immaterial entity can interact with a material universe.


Show your work.

Simple. 

1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)

I make that four "Ifs".

(March 8, 2018 at 5:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: God, by definition, is supernatural.

Not if existence precedes essence

Because then, God isn't anything

(March 8, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 3:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Huggy, at the end of the day you have a picture of light.  Even your expert says that it’s light. That’s all it ever was, and that’s all it will ever be.   You have no evidence that this light is god, let alone the Judeo-Christian god of the Bible.  (Hell, maybe it’s the light of Odin’s essence trying to communicate to the masses that they’re being mislead by a false religion!).  The only thing you have evidence of is light.  And, last I checked, light is a pretty natural occurrence around these here parts.

At 9:26 you'll hear him state "he's here, the holy spirit".
At 16:52 you'll hear him mention the Light, following some lady.

It's best to get the full context though.

Fail.  FSM has a distinct Scottish accent.

HERESY! HE'S WELSH!

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(March 8, 2018 at 6:12 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 5:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: ...God, by definition, is supernatural.

Before you describe god's characteristics it would be prudent to first prove he exists.

You gotta know what he's describing to know what he's trying to prove.

He's trying to prove some imaginary dude that is invisible and intangible and made the universe, ya got it? But his evidence can't be invisible or intangible

Hmm. Almost sounds as if the whole thing is fucking ridiculous eh?

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(March 8, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Succubus Wrote: 1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)

3 doesn't follow. You'd have to add that God is the creator of the universe by definition as well. Otherwise God is just some immaterial being that exists, and there's no reason to believe he's required for the universe.

FSM Isn't welsh but greatly enjoys greatly a nice slice of caerphilly from time to time.

RAmen

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Since huggy diapers has me on ignore, Don't forget to ask him what these hanging things are

FSM is Welsh. And a female.

(March 8, 2018 at 7:41 pm)Hammy Wrote: HERESY! HE'S[sic] WELSH!

*SHE'S

Damn S key.

(March 8, 2018 at 8:02 pm)Hammy Wrote: FSM is Welsh. And a female.

(March 8, 2018 at 7:41 pm)Hammy Wrote: HERESY! HE'S[sic] WELSH!

*SHE'S

Damn S key.

In many ways, FSM is anything we need it to be, Of all creeds, races, genders and yogurt flavors.  FSM appears in ways we know best so for me with a Scottish accent and playing the accordion and to you Welsh, female and possibly nude.