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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 18, 2018 at 9:44 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not saying the man wasn’t on crutches. I’m saying there is more than enough reasonable doubt that this wasn’t a ‘miracle healing’.
http://seekyethetruth.com/branham/resour...pshaw.aspx
Upon perusal of the July 1949 Voice of Healing magazine, I can find no article written by Upshaw, let alone any that mention him being healed of cancer.
Though I could be mistaken, look for yourself.
https://issuu.com/cfnthevoice/docs/july_1949
It’s on page 7 from your link. I also have it here:
https://m.facebook.com/SeekYeTheTruth/ph...52/?type=3
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 18, 2018 at 9:56 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 9:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Upon perusal of the July 1949 Voice of Healing magazine, I can find no article written by Upshaw, let alone any that mention him being healed of cancer.
Though I could be mistaken, look for yourself.
https://issuu.com/cfnthevoice/docs/july_1949
It’s on page 7 from your link. I also have it here:
https://m.facebook.com/SeekYeTheTruth/ph...52/?type=3
I corrected my previous post.
Again if you're going to call the man a liar your going to have to provide proof other than insinuations because his claims are too fantastical for you to believe.
And I find interesting that the only source you're using is one with a clear agenda and zero objectivity.
Would you be convinced if I started posting info from a flat earth website?
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 18, 2018 at 9:57 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not saying the man wasn’t on crutches. I’m saying there is more than enough reasonable doubt that this wasn’t a ‘miracle healing’.
http://seekyethetruth.com/branham/resour...pshaw.aspx
Upon perusal of the July 1949 Voice of Healing magazine, I can find no article written by Upshaw, let alone any that mention him being healed of cancer.
Though I could be mistaken, look for yourself.
https://issuu.com/cfnthevoice/docs/july_1949
*edit*
I see the article. He does mention that he had a cancerous growth on the side of his head, which he was getting radiation treatments for... was prayed for and healed.
Again, if you're going to call him a liar, you have to bring some proof.
Bold mine:
So, that’s the single point you’re going to respond to after everything I presented? Are you kidding? It’s like you only process the information that you’ll allow yourself to process. The information available to us provides more than enough reasonable doubt to rule out the possibility of anything “supernatural”, whatever that even means. And Ofc, none of this has to do with a light being god.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 2:14 am
You should see him try and hijack a philosophy of science term then try and pass it off as a taxonomic category like genus etc . 
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 3:29 am
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(March 18, 2018 at 8:44 pm)SteveII Wrote: Regarding you second point, is there any reason whatsoever to think that causal principles only apply within the universe? Why are scientist talking about string theory, multiverses, etc.? Because they seem to think there is such a thing. Why? Because it seems like an objective feature of reality
What religionists fail to understand is that when scientists come up with hypotheses then it's to explain the data. A theory is only formed when many hypotheses have already been shown to be correct. The evidence always comes first.
So if scientists are talking about string theory and multiverses, then it's because they are trying to understand some observations.
There is no evidence for your god, the supernatural or the KCA.
Instead the religionist start with a conclusion and then try to logic it into existence without any evidence. It's exactly the opposite, except they skip even trying to find evidence because there isn't any because the conclusion was made up to begin with.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 5:34 am
(March 19, 2018 at 2:14 am)Tizheruk Wrote: You should see him try and hijack a philosophy of science term then try and pass it off as a taxonomic category like genus etc .
Oh, I’m popcorning that one. 
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 8:39 am
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 9:01 am
(March 19, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I've seen the same person argue, that things don't need a cause to begin to exists.
Who has said that? Me? I've been arguing that the word 'cause' is linguistic shorthand that religionists use for equivocation. It is a useful abstraction so we don't have to describe the all the relevant features of the environment. The KCA only works for people who don't realise this and who seem to think that everything begins to exist because of a single cause and while forgetting about the time between not existing and existing.
For example:
What causes a snowflake to exist?
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 9:03 am
Jesus, silly. 
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 9:08 am
(March 19, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I've seen the same person argue, that things don't need a cause to begin to exists.
You mean Steve, right? Steve doesn't believe that [material] things that begin to exist demand a material cause.
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