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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:01 am
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It's been my own failure because I let you guys steer off tract every argument from me proving it's premises in the follow up discussion.
I'm not budging... Waiting on you to answer the question or perhaps Robvalue or someone else can continue by answering it directly.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:02 am
You know that sticking your head in the ground doesn;t actually make you invisible, right? 
You asked questions, you got answers. It's obvious that you don;t like the answer you got...but...I'm not sure what anyone can do about that, and frankly..it;s no ones job to make their answers more convenient or comfortable for you.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:07 am
Yean answers that avoid the question, not so useful.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:09 am
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You asked about my own moral "guidance"..didn't you? Where it came from? Simple...just like I told you. Moral facts, that..if I get those facts right, make my moral statements true.
That's it, that's all I need. That's the basis of my entire moral system. You can deny it or concede it...but it;s beyond absurd to pretend that the question hasn't been answered.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:18 am
(April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.
Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.
Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:22 am
(April 3, 2018 at 8:18 am)Grandizer Wrote: (April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.
Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.
Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".
You’re going to be sorry you asked...lol.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:26 am
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"Real guidance" excludes logic in mks mind. As evidenced by the fact that he cannot include true moral statements derived from moral facts. Apparently, they'd have to be god moral statements and god moral facts to be "real guidance".
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:29 am
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(April 3, 2018 at 8:18 am)Grandizer Wrote: (April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.
Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.
Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".
It would be an illusion. And it would be us following our desires, as we do, tricking ourselves, we are following morality. And it's the state of humans right now. They don't know what morality is at all, and forgotten the connection and mystic link that binds us, the pledge of the true Kings of humanity, they took before coming to this world.
And the argument falls to pieces if there is no real guidance. And I went that route before. And there is no way to prove it in easy manner. If someone is going to doubt this, they ought truly take their doubt seriously, enough, to search within in themselves the truth of this question.
That's not my job to do for you guys, although, I have shown a process that would conclude it's an illusion without God.
Khemikal whenever you ready bud, let me know. 
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:31 am
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-then it's an illusion. Oh well? I really don't see the problem.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 8:32 am
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(April 3, 2018 at 8:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: -then it's an illusion. Oh well? I really don't see the problem.
Good on you. So brave to accept the possibility of the illusion, yet too scared to answer my question.
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