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Arguments for God in Quran.
RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
It's been my own failure because I let you guys steer off tract every argument from me proving it's premises in the follow up discussion.  

I'm not budging... Waiting on you to answer the question or perhaps Robvalue or someone else can continue by answering it directly.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
You know that sticking your head in the ground doesn;t actually make you invisible, right?  Wink

You asked questions, you got answers.  It's obvious that you don;t like the answer you got...but...I'm not sure what anyone can do about that, and frankly..it;s no ones job to make their answers more convenient or comfortable for you.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
Yean answers that avoid the question, not so useful.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
You asked about my own moral "guidance"..didn't you?  Where it came from?  Simple...just like I told you.  Moral facts, that..if I get those facts right, make my moral statements true.  

That's it, that's all I need.  That's the basis of my entire moral system. You can deny it or concede it...but it;s beyond absurd to pretend that the question hasn't been answered.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
(April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.

Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.

Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
(April 3, 2018 at 8:18 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.

Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.

Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".

You’re going to be sorry you asked...lol.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
"Real guidance" excludes logic in mks mind.  As evidenced by the fact that he cannot include true moral statements derived from moral facts.  Apparently, they'd have to be god moral statements and god moral facts to be "real guidance".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
(April 3, 2018 at 8:18 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.

Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.

Just to go at this from a different angle, let's assume for the sake of argument there is no real guidance (as you would define it). How is the latter paradoxical? Impractical perhaps, but I don't see how this logically necessitates the existence of a god. All it means is that we have the illusion of a "real" guidance, not the actual thing. What is the logical problem with not having "real guidance".

It would be an illusion. And it would be us following our desires, as we do, tricking ourselves, we are following morality. And it's the state of humans right now. They don't know what morality is at all, and forgotten the connection and mystic link that binds us, the pledge of the true Kings of humanity, they took before coming to this world.


And the argument falls to pieces if there is no real guidance. And I went that route before. And there is no way to prove it in easy manner. If someone is going to doubt this, they ought truly take their doubt seriously, enough, to search within in themselves the truth of this question.

That's not my job to do for you guys, although, I have shown a process that would conclude it's an illusion without God.

Khemikal whenever you ready bud, let me know. Smile
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
-then it's an illusion.  Oh well? I really don't see the problem.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
(April 3, 2018 at 8:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: -then it's an illusion.  Oh well?  I really don't see the problem.

Good on you. So brave to accept the possibility of the illusion, yet too scared to answer my question.
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