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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 10:45 pm
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(April 6, 2018 at 10:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 9:33 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The concept of equality between men and women can be seen in this verse:
I don't recall reading a text that old, that tells "men and women" that they are of "one another" explicitly.
There is this verse:
Proving that our origin is one and single.
Christianity favored Adam over Eve, and gave man rights that he doesn't deserve.
So, no. None of that horrific shit is explicitly condemned by your god. He had a whole damn book, and he still couldn’t find room for the words, “don’t rape”. Good to know.
I should note that you have a brain; and if a book "prohibits the mere lusty look" towards a woman that is not a wife; prohibits adultery too; then it is prohibiting rape for sure. Still; this is not an evidence for "slavery" in the Quran.
(April 6, 2018 at 10:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If one book needs five hundred books worth of excuses to deal with its objections, then the problem is with the book, not the objections.
The Quran never needed the 500 books to justify its message.
But the Sunni/Shiite institution did need the 500 books, to justify WHY its followers understood the Quran that way.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 10:50 pm
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(April 6, 2018 at 10:45 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 10:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So, no. None of that horrific shit is explicitly condemned by your god. He had a whole damn book, and he still couldn’t find room for the words, “don’t rape”. Good to know.
I should note that you have a brain; and if a book "prohibits the mere lusty look" towards a woman that is not a wife; prohibits adultery too; then it is prohibiting rape as well.”
Not at all. That is a crime against humanity. I expect any god who is writing the moral rules for humanity to explain it clearly, and explicitly so that there is no confusion. Example: marital rape.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:00 pm
(April 6, 2018 at 10:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 10:45 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I should note that you have a brain; and if a book "prohibits the mere lusty look" towards a woman that is not a wife; prohibits adultery too; then it is prohibiting rape as well.”
Not at all. That is a crime against humanity. I expect any god who is writing the moral rules for humanity to explain it clearly, and explicitly so that there is no confusion. Example: marital rape.
On the other hand; I will expect a God's usage of language to be perfect. Detailing in speech is not eloquent; the lesser words you use the more eloquent you are. No need to specify rape if:
1-Sex outside of marriage was already forbidden
2-Corrupting in earth was already forbidden
A God must be eloquent.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:04 pm
(April 6, 2018 at 11:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 10:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Not at all. That is a crime against humanity. I expect any god who is writing the moral rules for humanity to explain it clearly, and explicitly so that there is no confusion. Example: marital rape.
On the other hand; I will expect a God's usage of language to be perfect. Detailing in speech is not eloquent; the lesser words you use the more eloquent you are. No need to specify rape if:
1-Sex outside of marriage was already forbidden
2-Corrupting in earth was already forbidden
A God must be eloquent.
Not at all. Sex outside of marriage says nothing about women being autonomous. In fact, it implies the opposite; that women are property or their husbands.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:13 pm
(April 6, 2018 at 11:04 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 11:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: On the other hand; I will expect a God's usage of language to be perfect. Detailing in speech is not eloquent; the lesser words you use the more eloquent you are. No need to specify rape if:
1-Sex outside of marriage was already forbidden
2-Corrupting in earth was already forbidden
A God must be eloquent.
Not at all. Sex outside of marriage says nothing about women being autonomous. In fact, it implies the opposite; that women are property or their husbands.
But it wasn't about women being autonomous; it was about condemning rape.
Women are not a property of the husband in Islam; for each a role that must be fulfilled for the relationship to be healthy.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:16 pm
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(April 6, 2018 at 10:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Still; you made an accusation that the Quran advocates slavery; and failed to bring a single textual evidence from the book that proves the accusation you made.
Your....magic....book. The defensive posturing, as though I could "accuse" a book of containing what it contains, is absurd. Read your book, don't read you book. I don't care.
You don't even -need- magic book. So what if it's fucked up...does that mean allah isn't real? What's more important to you..what do you really worship? A book..or a god? You blame everything you don;t like about your own silly religion on sunnis and shia..like a common nondenominational christer. Maybe the problem, from the very start, has been magic books?
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April 6, 2018 at 11:26 pm
I’m so sick of it all. I wish we could burn every last copy of every religious text. What god would need or want a fucking book?
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:29 pm
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(April 6, 2018 at 11:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 10:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Still; you made an accusation that the Quran advocates slavery; and failed to bring a single textual evidence from the book that proves the accusation you made.
Your....magic....book. The defensive posturing, as though I could "accuse" a book of containing what it contains, is absurd. Read your book, don't read you book. I don't care.
You don't even -need- magic book. So what if it's fucked up...does that mean allah isn't real? What's more important to you..what do you really worship? A book..or a god? You blame everything you don;t like about your own silly religion on sunnis and shia..like a common nondenominational christer. Maybe the problem, from the very start, has been magic books?
But they are the problem; and their way is the problem.
The books written and advocated by both sects, is where you will find "slavery topics"; "apostates' execution topics" and so on.
(April 6, 2018 at 11:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m so sick of it all. I wish we could burn every last copy of every religious text. What god would need or want a fucking book?
Just like the Taliban when they blew the statues of Budhists.
We can call you "Jihadi Camus". You'll be the first blonde suicide bomber.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:43 pm
(April 6, 2018 at 11:29 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 11:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Your....magic....book. The defensive posturing, as though I could "accuse" a book of containing what it contains, is absurd. Read your book, don't read you book. I don't care.
You don't even -need- magic book. So what if it's fucked up...does that mean allah isn't real? What's more important to you..what do you really worship? A book..or a god? You blame everything you don;t like about your own silly religion on sunnis and shia..like a common nondenominational christer. Maybe the problem, from the very start, has been magic books?
But they are the problem; and their way is the problem.
The books written and advocated by both sects, is where you will find "slavery topics"; "apostates' execution topics" and so on.
You'll find all of that in magic book as well. At some point you're going to have to let magic book be what it is and decide whether or not you have an issue with that. At some point you have to stop blaming sunni and shia for the faults of magic book.
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RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
April 6, 2018 at 11:57 pm
(April 6, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (April 6, 2018 at 11:29 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: But they are the problem; and their way is the problem.
The books written and advocated by both sects, is where you will find "slavery topics"; "apostates' execution topics" and so on.
You'll find all of that in magic book as well. At some point you're going to have to let magic book be what it is and decide whether or not you have an issue with that. At some point you have to stop blaming sunni and shia for the faults of magic book.
Killing apostates doesn't exist. Taking slaves doesn't exist.
You failed to prove that taking slaves exist. Bring a verse about executing people for leaving Islam; as an evidence for your accusation. Or else: they become 2 loose claims.
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