(September 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Some of you Atheists on here made disrespectful posts about God and Christianity. Mock God now, but we'll see who's right in the end. Just remember, if you're wrong, that's it for you.

Someones having a hissy fit. Respectable opinions deserve respect, your regurgitation of some theist arguments which are riddled with fallacies, which you cannot see is not our problem and is not deserving of respect. As an atheist I do not believe that xtianity is justified, I am therefore justified in calling it what I believe it to be. Other atheists I'm sure would feel equally justified. Neither xtianity nor you, have the right to be not offended. If god were a big enough personal being, I'm sure he'd appreciate my honesty, that I could not bring myself to believe in such things, instead of pretending that I could because wanted to live forever in a nice place.

You seem to be projecting your disappointment on failing badly to win a single argument by threatening hell. As far as the threat goes it is hardly likely to worry a single atheist, as they do not believe in hell either. I dare say the company in hell would however be infinitely preferable, particular if the westboro baptists are right.

(September 1, 2011 at 1:23 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Why would a Christian come to an Atheist forum and ask for confirmation of his religion?

That's like going to an S&M party and saying you don't want to be spanked.

But, come on, who hasn't made that mistake at least once?

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(September 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Some of you Atheists on here made disrespectful posts about God and Christianity. Mock God now, but we'll see who's right in the end. Just remember, if you're wrong, that's it for you.

I can't tell if you're serious. Sure this is not a very . . . helpful comment, but is something some Christians would actually say. It's the Christian version of "I'll see you in HELL!" Well, I'll just take this at face value.

It's okay man, I don't think that God is all that concerned that people on the internet mock Him. Remember when He was getting crucified and He prayed that the people murdering Him would be forgiven? You don't have to be a crusader defending the faith against heathens, just talk to people and see where they're coming from. There are some really great people on this forum, you could learn a lot from them.

What is all this bitching.

Are you atheists not up to handling theists or something; or are you afraid of actually putting your logic and reason against foolish theists?

Most places are busy asking for proof and here you guys are, even afraid to confront poor deluded theists.

Grow up children. Reciprocity is fair play and if they do the same and boot us off their sites then evil will grow because good men will not be able to do anything against them.

Or at least learn to ignore those you don't want to talk to.
just quite your crying like babies.

The Ban line forms on the right for those who are now going to bitch at my criticism.

Before you do know that I am Canadian and that --------

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Quote:Some of you Atheists on here made disrespectful posts about God and Christianity.

I haven't even begun, laddy.

I guess I should introduce myself...

Quote:What is all this bitching.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the internet forum.

Quote:Are you atheists not up to handling theists or something; or are you afraid of actually putting your logic and reason against foolish theists?

I can only speak for myself. An agnostic atheist, I assert only that I do not believe in god(s) due to lack of credible evidence. I make no
claims, so attract no burden of proof. I need prove nothing.It's up to believers to prove their claims, not to me to try to prove a negative. So far,in recorded history ,not one person has succeeded.

Plus,I do not argue with apologists because it's like trying to communicate with an orangutang AND I really,truly could not give a flying fuck about the personal superstitions of others.

As for using reason,as Greg House said " if you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any"

Quote:just quite your crying like babies.

Quote:The Ban line forms on the right for those who are now going to bitch at my criticism.

Gee, what can I say? "Go fuck yourself!" seems appropriate.




PS it's 'quit'

(August 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist? There's a theory that was in the movie ''Zeitgeist'' where the filmmakers claim that Jesus was a myth and never existed. They also claimed that all religion came from ancient astrology and sun worship.

I'm very interested in the fact that the Romans who noted everything don't seem to have noted Jesus?

Did Jesus exist? very good question, don't start with the rising of christ though pleaaaase.

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(September 3, 2011 at 7:57 pm)coffeeveritas Wrote:

(September 1, 2011 at 1:23 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Why would a Christian come to an Atheist forum and ask for confirmation of his religion?

That's like going to an S&M party and saying you don't want to be spanked.

But, come on, who hasn't made that mistake at least once?

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What?? the christian bit or the S&M party??

(September 4, 2011 at 1:13 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Did Jesus exist? very good question, don't start with the rising of christ though pleaaaase.

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(September 3, 2011 at 7:57 pm)coffeeveritas Wrote:

(September 1, 2011 at 1:23 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Why would a Christian come to an Atheist forum and ask for confirmation of his religion?

That's like going to an S&M party and saying you don't want to be spanked.

But, come on, who hasn't made that mistake at least once?

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What?? the christian bit or the S&M party??

The beauty of that comment is in the mystery.

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(September 4, 2011 at 12:52 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:Are you atheists not up to handling theists or something; or are you afraid of actually putting your logic and reason against foolish theists?

I can only speak for myself. An agnostic atheist, I assert only that I do not believe in god(s) due to lack of credible evidence. I make no
claims, so attract no burden of proof. I need prove nothing.It's up to believers to prove their claims, not to me to try to prove a negative.

Yep, Padriac is on it, pretty much any atheist you ask to disprove the resurrection will start by pointing out that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and then point out that there is no conclusive proof on your end. I asked everyone their thoughts on their subject on the topic of disproving Christianity and the opinion was pretty much unanimous with the "burden of proof" idea. As arguments go it has a nice way of completely turning the discussion around, then pointing out the deficiencies of the opposing viewpoint. You would definitely get points for something like this in a debate, provided your opponent doesn't have an argument undermining your idea of where the burden of proof lies. I definitely like the basic structure of the logic, and it's very easy to follow. This seems to be a preeminent modernist counter-apologetic, and it's very hard to get around in a modernist setting. However, it might break down fairly quickly in a post-modern setting.

Hmm... I got off track there, I was just admiring some logic and starting musing over it's virtues. It seems that so much of what we talk about on this board takes place in a modernist sphere, I always wonder how all this stacks up in postmodernism. It's very interesting. If you track the great apologetic debates (such as theodicy) they all switch gears around the 70's because the influence of post-modernism was undermining their arguments (on both sides). (For example, the "God cannot be both all good and all powerful if there is evil" argument was almost completely abandoned because of some work by Alvin Plantinga.) To be sure both sides still have their lines drawn, but it's changing so fast it makes for an interesting show.

In my opinion it looked like the atheist side was winning the debate up through the 70's then starting with Plantiga it more or less evened out until the very late 90's, now it looks like the Christian side has a fairly healthy lead. The new atheists such as Dawkins have not done themselves very many favors by ignoring post-modernism, but I believe that Sam Harris is leading a bit of a counter-charge lately. Not that who's in the lead really changes anything, I just really love debates.

aaand I'm musing again.

Quote:retty much any atheist you ask to disprove the resurrection will start by pointing out that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and then point out that there is no conclusive proof on your end.

Not to mention the inconvenient fact that even the so-called "gospels" do not actually claim anything more than that the tomb was "empty."

Oh, the Gospel of Peter has 3 men coming out of the tomb along with a walking, talking cross....

Quote:10 When therefore those soldiers saw it, they awakened the centurion and the elders; for they too were hard by keeping guard. And, as they declared what things they had seen, again they see three men come forth from the tomb, and two of them supporting one, and a cross following them: and of the two the head reached unto the heaven, but the head of him that was led by them overpassed the heavens. And they heard a voice from the heavens, saying, Thou hast preached to them that sleep. And a response was heard from the cross, Yea.

...but that one was too silly even for early xtians to put into their bible.

Glad they had some modicum of sense.

(September 4, 2011 at 3:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, the Gospel of Peter has 3 men coming out of the tomb along with a walking, talking cross....

Quote:10 When therefore those soldiers saw it, they awakened the centurion and the elders; for they too were hard by keeping guard. And, as they declared what things they had seen, again they see three men come forth from the tomb, and two of them supporting one, and a cross following them: and of the two the head reached unto the heaven, but the head of him that was led by them overpassed the heavens. And they heard a voice from the heavens, saying, Thou hast preached to them that sleep. And a response was heard from the cross, Yea.

...but that one was too silly even for early xtians to put into their bible.

Glad they had some modicum of sense.

Haha! I love that one, it's so over the top. I really want it to pick up right after the last part with, "And then the cross brought forth its mighty array of lasers and vaporized all the Romans. And verily did three ninjas come forth from the ground to slay the three men, but the Kung Fu of the three men was too powerful and the ninjas did die. And indeed again there came forth from the ground Godzilla and Megatron . . ."