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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:17 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 9:19 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Please keep quoting Khem so I can watch but keep him on block lol.
(April 22, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: The being did not alter the future in any way to make you choose one colored shirt over another; rather, the being simply knew which colored shirt you would choose.
Meaning you couldn't have done otherwise, because that would have meant he was wrong, and he can't be because he knows what you will do. Not much of a choice is it if you can only 'choose' between one option with no alternatives?
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:20 pm
(April 22, 2018 at 9:17 pm)Hammy Wrote:
Please keep quoting Khem so I can watch but keep him on block lol.
(April 22, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: The being did not alter the future in any way to make you choose one colored shirt over another; rather, the being simply knew which colored shirt you would choose.
Meaning you couldn't have done otherwise, because that would have meant he was wrong, and he can't be because he knows what you will do. Not much of a choice is it if you can only 'choose' between one option with no alternatives?
The logic doesn't follow. You're merely being obtuse.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:20 pm
Choice implies possibility in real time, one can do this or that or that. But with future already existing or written or known, there is no possibility then one outcome.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:22 pm
(April 22, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Knowing the actual future still does not eradicate free will.
Just because the being knows that you will choose the blue shirt over the green shirt does not mean there still wasn't a choice and that you still did not have the free will to choose between the two colored shirts. Right, I get that you disagree, you already stated that. I was explaining why people say that. You say that you have a choice, they note that you can choose no other.
Quote:A true absence of free will is an absence of choice.
I don't think that's true. Free will and choice are not synonyms, imo.
Quote:The being did not alter the future in any way to make you choose one colored shirt over another; rather, the being simply knew which colored shirt you would choose.
It doesn't need to alter anything, or make you choose one shirt over another. It only needs to know what you will do in order for you to be able to do no other, choose no other.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:24 pm
I don't see it.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm
Well, remove god entirely from it. If the future -can be known-...but isn't known by anyone. Can you do anything other than whatever it is you -will do-?
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:26 pm
You can't decide but what (if God knows) God knows you will decide... no free-will in that.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:28 pm
I simply don't see the connection with a being knowing something with there being no free will. It doesn't compute for me. The logic you're employing simply seems faulty.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:28 pm
And now all you need to do is produce evidence that there is any god to know any thing.
Simple, huh? Get to work.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:30 pm
There's a local law firm here in NZ offering free wills.
Should we call them god?
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