Why is it so hard to believe that the worshipers of a god who is obsessed with blood and death would believe that killing is a good way of getting rid of unbelievers? I know there's a rule against killing, but then the book goes on to give 101 reasons why it's ok to kill people.

Annnnnnnd.... Goalposts shifted!

(April 23, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: White people have existed in my living room for at least as long as I can remember..I've never seen them burn anyone at the stake for various heresies.  There seems to be something particular to those white people that did...and for the life of me..I just can't put my finger on it.

The world may never know, and in the interim we may as well blame whitey.  Good as any other guess.

(April 23, 2018 at 11:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 10:44 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Here’s the thing: even positive/gnostic atheism in and of itself has no doctrine.  There’s no inherent demand or order in any flavor of atheism to eliminate religious practice altogether.  No, such acts committed by a state are simply a way to oppress, homogenize, and control people.  It’s really no different than our history of forcing slaves or indigenous peoples to practice Christianity rather than their own beliefs.

Atheism has no mandate.

*emphasis mine*

Then according to that logic 'theism" in and of itself has no doctrine.

Can you articulate what theism has mandated?

I have shown that atheist ideologies has been used to oppress people the same as theist ideologies, the difference being that the atheists were far more efficient and unscrupulous with their killing.

You're right.  Theism has no particular doctrine.  Very good, you're starting to understand basic words and concepts.

But, see, now you're trying to make atheism responsible for what particular regimes believing in particular things did.  That would be like me blaming theism on the whole for, say, the Crusades.  Do you understand how idiotic that is?

If you want to say that Stalin's form of state mandated atheism was evil, I will agree with you.  If you want to say that his brand of atheism is indicative of atheism in general, then I will continue to mock you for being an idiot.

Keep in mind, it's far easier for us to paint Christians and other religious adherents with a wider brush because you do follow a doctrine.  We can point to a specific set of beliefs and actions required by your faith(s), and then point out the immorality of them, or the inconsistency of them, or, in the case of the cartoon, point out how many Christians merely pay lip-service to the ideals they profess to hold, and don't actually want to live the way their religion mandates, making them hypocrites of the worst kind.

So, like I said, atheism in and of itself isn't a religion.  It has no mandate.  Anything purportedly done in the name of atheism is something that's been layered on top of it.

(April 23, 2018 at 12:35 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: If you want to say that Stalin's form of state mandated atheism was evil, I will agree with you. If you want to say that his brand of atheism is indicative of atheism in general, then I will continue to mock you for being an idiot.

The original point was that as soon a Stalin enters the conversation, it's "he didn't do "X" because of atheism" which is patently untrue.

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(April 23, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: No True Scotsman in 3, 2, 1 . . .

Sorry to disappoint.

(April 23, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: White people have existed in my living room for at least as long as I can remember..I've never seen them burn anyone at the stake for various heresies.  There seems to be something particular to those white people that did...and for the life of me..I just can't put my finger on it.

The world may never know, and in the interim we may as well blame whitey.  Good as any other guess.

See, more mysteries.  It seems like the crowds in both pictures may have had something in common with each other that they don't have in common with the crackers in my living room, but I don't know what it might be, so we might as well blame whitey for that stuff too.

(April 23, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 12:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:8

"Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion."
Catholic catechism

No need to quote the catechism to me since I don't consider the catholic church to be any kind of authority.

Here's the thing; an atheist is not being punish for a "thought crime" they are facing the consequences of refusing to accept the prescribed remedy for their condition...

You're not special; everyone is in the same boat, you just consciously refuse to accept that God exists, and subsequently refuse repentance... Is it God's fault if you die in your sins?

Is it the doctors fault if you refuse to take your prescribed medicine and die in agony, after you been warned ad nauseam what would happen if you don't take it?

Fine, then the theists in Stalinist Russia were simply facing the consequences of refusing to accept the prescribed remedy for their condition...

Two can play the semantic bullshit game. Regardless, you're just retconning the bible.

I think they probably did what they did because they were white, Jorg.  That's what the racial theory of witch burnings would strongly imply.

still not refuting/rebuking Trudeau . . . .

(April 23, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think they probably did what they did because they were white, Jorg.  That's what the racial theory of witch burnings would strongly imply.

Now you lying...

I never said anyone did something because they were white; I said white folks rolled a certain way (historically). If you can't look back through history and see this, then you're being disingenuous.