(April 24, 2018 at 10:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I have a lot more to say about this argument; I’m just too drunk to articulate it at the moment. ?

Pshhh, I do my best articulating when I'm drunk.

(April 24, 2018 at 10:44 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I don't even get the term reason for its existence  in terms of the universe .

Well, that just follows from the premises... but then it adds "then that reason must be God" into the end of it lol. Based on no logic at all lol.

A separate argument would need to be given to show why the reason has to be God. You can't just start agreeing that there's a reason and then shove God in at the end lol. It's like... the worst argument for God ever. Lol.

I'm honestly sort of surprised anyone takes it seriously.

(April 24, 2018 at 10:49 pm)mcc1789 Wrote: I'm honestly sort of surprised anyone takes it seriously.

I've long ago stopped being surprised at what theists take seriously.

I'm likely too charitable with people.

(April 24, 2018 at 10:49 pm)mcc1789 Wrote: I'm honestly sort of surprised anyone takes it seriously.

William Lane Craig parades it lol.

By the way, I'm flummoxed as to how you quote another person's comment.

(April 24, 2018 at 10:58 pm)mcc1789 Wrote: By the way, I'm flummoxed as to how you quote another person's comment.

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Without the periods.

The Argument from Contingency
(1) Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence.
(2) The universe exists contingently.
Therefore:
(3) The universe has a reason for its existence.
(4) If the universe has a reason for its existence then that reason is Trump.
Therefore:
(5) Trump exists.


Weird, this version of it actually works . . . .

Okay, Hammy, thanks.

It works for anything. Odd isn't it Vorlon?