Color me shocked, huh.

https://healthpayerintelligence.com/news...renal-care

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/insu...ng/521629/

In this week's dystopian health care news, HHS is driving End-Stage Renal Disease patients to commercial/private insurance purely to get money into people's pockets, regardless of whether or not Medicare and Medicaid are the superior option for these patients (speaking as somebody who actually used Medicaid when I was considered an End-Stage Renal Disease patient.) And of course, for conservatives who are more concerned about money than people's lives, this is also bad for you too, as it causes an increase in overall healthcare costs to the system and threatens the sustainability of the marketplaces and employer plans’ risk pools.

^ people in the UK need to defend the NHS and their healthcare and raise hell or they will end up like us in the U.S.

This has been going on for years. Providers will pay the premium for the patients in order to get a higher reimbursement rate. It's not limited to ESRD.

(April 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: ^ people in the UK need to defend the NHS and their healthcare and raise hell or they will end up like us in the U.S.

We are trying, but people keep voting tory for some reason.

I thought this would be about Big Cancer.

The problem in the US, is nobody is working against any of the things that make healthcare expensive. All the people making a shitload of money off it have both sides of the aisle in their pocket.

The political debate is just who has to pay the healthcare people all the money.

(April 25, 2018 at 1:14 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: ^ people in the UK need to defend the NHS and their healthcare and raise hell or they will end up like us in the U.S.

We are trying, but people keep voting tory for some reason.

That's is what bothers me about that why do people keep voting for Tory.... if i lived in the U.K. i would vote against her.
And off topic what the fuck is up with BBC and having a TV license i just don't get it with the U.K. and the red tape with most things.
But a TV license... that is getting out of hand then again i barely use my TV most stuff i watch is on the PC.

(April 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: ^ people in the UK need to defend the NHS and their healthcare and raise hell or they will end up like us in the U.S.

Just ask poor little Alfie and his parents how the death panels of socialized medicine are working out for them.

As my career, I file assessments to Medicare/ Medicade / Managed Care Payors that get my employer paid for their services. The American Health Care System is a convoluted mess! It provides a wide population of people with free/ or subsidized health care but many patients and providers scratching their heads.

(April 25, 2018 at 10:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm)dyresand Wrote: ^ people in the UK need to defend the NHS and their healthcare and raise hell or they will end up like us in the U.S.

Just ask poor little Alfie and his parents how the death panels of socialized medicine are working out for them.

Does it bother you that conservatives have convinced an entire generation of people to vote against their interests? To scare you into somehow thinking that people being given medical coverage is somehow a bad thing? The only reason a kid like Alfie could get the care he needed in the first place was because of a system that does not care how much money his parents make, because one's health and wellbeing should always trump their economic standing. It is an automatic assurance that he will be treated. The chance that a person, or a child, may not receive the treatment they deserve because of financial reasons or their family will go bankrupt in the process is the real death panel you speak of.

Here's a reality check to interrupt your regularly scheduled influx of far-right propaganda: All of that is actually irrelevant, and Alfie's case is one of legality. It really has nothing to do with whether they have private or public health care, and this case would happen even if Alfie were being treated in a private hospital and his family was using private insurance. The question is about whether or not it is just to prolong the life of a human being who is, by all accounts, destined for death; the argument the courts have made is that prolonging his life is just making him suffer and is not in the best interests of the child, since there is no chance for him to recover. This would be an issue in the U.S. too (in fact, it is and has been for decades.) Wherever you sit on that debate, please acknowledge that it has nothing to do with evil big bad socialist health care system trying to kill a kid for money. That's... actually kind of ridiculous, and all you have to do is apply critical thinking for a minute to realize that.

Neo, you're a smart guy, but for some reason when it comes to politics, you can't think for yourself. Do other people on this forum do the same but with left-wing sources? You bet, but that doesn't make it right. Come on man. Use your head.