(April 24, 2018 at 9:06 pm)G Alan Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 5:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: I PMed him and he PMed me back. I then PMed him back... haven't seen him since. Hope it's not me!

Nope, haven't lost me.  I am a farmer and do not  have "regular" work hours.  Sorry.  But, I have read all the post from people and I really do appreciate the responses.  I have taken a few jabs here from some, but thanks for the honesty.   However, family comes first in the evenings if I have had a long day.   I will stay in touch and I definitely will get to those PM questions.    
Thanks.

I do myself take offense at the idea that one can walk into a house they do not own and bark orders. It is one thing to request, that is polite. But just like your own house, you would not like it if someone walked in making demands. 

I think a theists best bet being on an atheist website, isn't to assume we think alike or always agree. AND the other benefit is that this website, like many, has an ignore option if if you do not like that individual.

My best advice to you is treat us as individuals, do not assume we all are alike, do not assume we always agree. We do not. 

I can only speak for myself. I am very blunt, but in my bluntness it is about bad logic, not your individual rights.

To me when ANYONE, of any religion claims, "I got it right", I am quite sure they mean it, and think it is good. I am sure most humans believe what they claim. I love my late mother. She died a Catholic, I am a former Catholic, I LOVED HER VERY DEEPLY.

But, anytime she partook in, or talked about her beliefs, as much as I loved her, she might as well been claiming, "The Philadelphia Eagles beat Charlie Brown's Peanuts in the Stanley Cup." I took her to church many times, watched her take communion many times. Never stopped her, but no, sorry, I long since have rejected every religion, not just my former religion.


I DO believe my species is mostly good, but no, I do not find the claims of antiquity valid in explaining why humans do what they do, or how the planet or universe work. I DO value my species POTENTIAL to do good and be good, I simply disagree as to where followers of any and all religions think that is coming from. My position is our ability to do good or bad isn't in old religions, but in our evolution. 

Just warning you about ME, and me alone here. If you talk about what you believe, I will respond and I don't sugar coat it. 

Most humans get sold their religions at birth prior to formulating adult critical thinking skills. I do not give any religion a pass. There is a huge difference between human rights, which everyone has and should have, and the separate ability to demonstrate the credibility of what they claim.

But, regardless of what even others here might think of my personality or word choice, I can safely say that none of us are out to barbecue your kittens, or eat your babies or rape your women. I may be out to destroy your logic, but not your human rights. My bottom line with all believers of ALL religions, is sure, I may think you are full of shit on feeling the need to have a religion, but, if you advocate non violence and common law, I will 100% defend you, not every claim you make no, but 100% your right to exist without fear of harm or arrest.

Point is, do not expect everyone here to behave the same way. Even atheists are all individuals and you'll do better to treat us as such.

(April 23, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm)G Alan Wrote: Hi everyone.  First of all I want to be honest and let you know that I am a Bible believing Christian.  I did not join this forum with the intentions to attack, debate, or belittle anyone. I expect the same treatment, please.  I am doing a personal study on the topic of apostasy of the Christian faith. Some believers think that a person of Christian faith can choose to not follow Jesus.  I do have my own beliefs about this subject of which i will not discuss.  I do personally know of one person who kind of turned away for a period of time , but eventually returned to the faith.  I am here to ask if there are any of people who were a bible believing, Christ following, Christian who chose to "walk away" from that belief.  If so, how long were you a follower of Jesus and why did you abandon that faith?  What is your belief now?
Thank you so much for your time.
G.

Well fuck me another Gotcha set up  thinly disguised as a conversion thread.

Quote:I do have my own beliefs about this subject of which i will not discuss.

Well fuck off then.

Such a special, pleasant individual this one...

Marry me??

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(April 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm)G Alan Wrote: Hi everyone.  First of all I want to be honest and let you know that I am a Bible believing Christian.  I did not join this forum with the intentions to attack, debate, or belittle anyone. I expect the same treatment, please.  I am doing a personal study on the topic of apostasy of the Christian faith. Some believers think that a person of Christian faith can choose to not follow Jesus.  I do have my own beliefs about this subject of which i will not discuss.  I do personally know of one person who kind of turned away for a period of time , but eventually returned to the faith.  I am here to ask if there are any of people who were a bible believing, Christ following, Christian who chose to "walk away" from that belief.  If so, how long were you a follower of Jesus and why did you abandon that faith?  What is your belief now?
Thank you so much for your time.
G.

Welcome G!

Glad to see another theist here to mix things up. Kitty Ann and myself are the resident Catholics. Neo Scholastic is Sweadenborgian (sp?), GodsCreated is Baptist I believe, and Lek, Steve, Roadrunner, Alphamale, and A Theist are non denominational. We also have a couple of Muslims: Atlas and Mystic Knight.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. You seem really genuine and polite. Most people here will be respectful, but feel free to ignore people like Succubus. He's a peach!

(April 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Succubus Wrote: Well fuck me another Gotcha set up  thinly disguised as a conversion thread.


Well fuck off then.

Such a special, pleasant individual this one...

Marry me??

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(April 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm)G Alan Wrote: Hi everyone.  First of all I want to be honest and let you know that I am a Bible believing Christian.  I did not join this forum with the intentions to attack, debate, or belittle anyone. I expect the same treatment, please.  I am doing a personal study on the topic of apostasy of the Christian faith. Some believers think that a person of Christian faith can choose to not follow Jesus.  I do have my own beliefs about this subject of which i will not discuss.  I do personally know of one person who kind of turned away for a period of time , but eventually returned to the faith.  I am here to ask if there are any of people who were a bible believing, Christ following, Christian who chose to "walk away" from that belief.  If so, how long were you a follower of Jesus and why did you abandon that faith?  What is your belief now?
Thank you so much for your time.
G.

Welcome G!

Glad to see another theist here to mix things up. Kitty Ann and myself are the resident Catholics. Neo Scholastic is Sweadenborgian (sp?), GodsCreated is Baptist I believe, and Lek, Steve, Roadrunner, Alphamale, and A Theist are non denominational. We also have a couple of Muslims: Atlas and Mystic Knight.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. You seem really genuine and polite. Most people here will be respectful, but feel free to ignore people like Succubus. He's a peach!

I see you omitted me; I am one of a few Pastafarians here and, to my knowledge, the only ordained one.

(April 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Succubus Wrote: Well fuck me another Gotcha set up  thinly disguised as a conversion thread.


Well fuck off then.

Such a special, pleasant individual this one...

Marry me??

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(April 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm)G Alan Wrote: Hi everyone.  First of all I want to be honest and let you know that I am a Bible believing Christian.  I did not join this forum with the intentions to attack, debate, or belittle anyone. I expect the same treatment, please.  I am doing a personal study on the topic of apostasy of the Christian faith. Some believers think that a person of Christian faith can choose to not follow Jesus.  I do have my own beliefs about this subject of which i will not discuss.  I do personally know of one person who kind of turned away for a period of time , but eventually returned to the faith.  I am here to ask if there are any of people who were a bible believing, Christ following, Christian who chose to "walk away" from that belief.  If so, how long were you a follower of Jesus and why did you abandon that faith?  What is your belief now?
Thank you so much for your time.
G.

Welcome G!

Glad to see another theist here to mix things up. Kitty Ann and myself are the resident Catholics. Neo Scholastic is Sweadenborgian (sp?), GodsCreated is Baptist I believe, and Lek, Steve, Roadrunner, Alphamale, and A Theist are non denominational. We also have a couple of Muslims: Atlas and Mystic Knight.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. You seem really genuine and polite. Most people here will be respectful, but feel free to ignore people like Succubus. He's a peach!

I am sick of this board allowing theists here. 

Especially YOU CL! 



But you also know how "polite" I can be....... Out of all the theists here, you know how blunt I can get, but I don't think you think I am going to have you arrested or murdered.

There are only a couple of theists here that really tick me off. Outside that even in my real life, outside the web, most people simply make me want to pull my hair out mentally.

Even for the ones here whom do tick me off, even with them, I would never let them bleed to death if I ran across them in a car accident and they needed help.

I've been wondering if G is a "no real atheist" type. We're just angry with god/church or are fooling ourselves and would convert on the death bed.

Now now ... Not every theist is comfortable with the mental gymnastics. It's not easy being a theist ya know!
cut 'em some slack.

(April 25, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But some theists get upset at profanity used in a post, and tend to ignore the actual valid points being made.

Probably so they don't have to deal with the valid points lol.

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(April 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Neo Scholastic is Sweadenborgian (sp?),

He is? And here's me thinking Neo Scholastic was a neo-scholastic!

I knew he used to be a Swedenborgian.... but I assumed he converted to neo-scholasticism.

I guess maybe one is a subset of the other or they are compatible in some way.

Don't know. Don't really care. It all involves giving prayer and thanks to an invisible imaginary magic man who also happens to be the supposed overlord of all things, the rest is details!

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(April 25, 2018 at 5:14 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(April 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Such a special, pleasant individual this one...

Marry me??

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Welcome G!

Glad to see another theist here to mix things up. Kitty Ann and myself are the resident Catholics. Neo Scholastic is Sweadenborgian (sp?), GodsCreated is Baptist I believe, and Lek, Steve, Roadrunner, Alphamale, and A Theist are non denominational. We also have a couple of Muslims: Atlas and Mystic Knight.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. You seem really genuine and polite. Most people here will be respectful, but feel free to ignore people like Succubus. He's a peach!

I see you omitted me; I am one of a few Pastafarians here and, to my knowledge, the only ordained one.

Yours has the least horrific afterlife.

(April 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 23, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Succubus Wrote: Well fuck me another Gotcha set up  thinly disguised as a conversion thread.


Well fuck off then.

Such a special, pleasant individual this one...

Marry me??

That time of the forum is it?

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(April 25, 2018 at 8:18 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Now now ... Not every theist is comfortable with the mental gymnastics. It's not easy being a theist ya know!
cut 'em some slack.

Awe my goodness. Did Jebus turn bread into fish or not.
An enquiring mind needs to know.

of course he did! Here, have a snapper! lol

(April 25, 2018 at 5:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I've been wondering if G is a "no real atheist" type. We're just angry with god/church or are fooling ourselves and would convert on the death bed.

I do beleieve that true atheist exist. Heck, i can even prove it.... this is an athiest forum and i am conversing with atheists. Hows that?
I realize now, after talking with some of you via PM that I approached ya'll wrong. Ya'll have been blasted and hammered on by other theist and for that i apologize.
My question was about people of faith that had "walked away" from that faith. I did get some great feedback and i appreciate that. I got alot of responses about the Bible and the kind of god it presents.
So, here goes another attempt at a question. If i ask wrong for goodness sake somebody on here help me correct it... i admit that the biggest part of my argument or evidence for a creator and a God is the Bible. Is it the Old Testament books that ya'll think are the most ridiculous or is it the whole bible including where Jesus comes on the scene?
Who/or what evidence do yall true atheist go to for proof of no God/gods?
Thanks ya'll.