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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:03 am
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Quote:That would just push the problem back one step further. That intelligence would still need a designer. The entire universe is designed. The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space. How much matter can no space hold? Exactly, zero. Additionally, the universe is fine-tuned to un-imaginable degrees. One independent constant out of about 30 of them alone has a 1:10^120 probability. There have only been 10^16 seconds since the Big Bang and there are 10^80 atoms in the known universe to give an idea of scale.
More bullocks repeated from a creationist website .And more credulity .
Quote:Shannon Information.
And now he's trying the tired "it's only Shannon Information " canard
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:06 am
(May 4, 2018 at 7:47 am)LastPoet Wrote: DNA is an innanimate phosphated acid. It forms well known bonds, known as hydrogen bridges between the bases. Just like the chrystalline bonds of water.
Tell me, what design comes from junk DNA, unused. You have it.
There is no longer really "junk" DNA. There is non-coding DNA which performs as the operating system. Over 85 percent of DNA is non-coding DNA. 3 percent is coding and the remainder may be for future potential micro-evolution.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:08 am
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Elephant in the room...but...wouldn't shannon information also need a designer...what with information always coming from minds and all?
It doesn't seem to make sense, as an objection to the idea that information doesn't require a designer....to concede that some information doesn't require a designer, when you're trying to establish that all information comes from a designer, ergo dna demonstrates a god.
Moving forward, how much micro evolution do you think there needs to be in order for it to be classified as macro evolution? In this..I fear, we may be drifting towards a "genetics is true when I think it proves my god, but false when it rubs up against some other thing I believe" situation...........and, just as with the above, it would be counterproductive to erode the credibility of the postulate you seek to use as informative.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:09 am
(May 4, 2018 at 8:58 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space. How much matter can no space hold? Exactly, zero.
There was no matter at the point of the Big Bang. Only energy.
https://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-u...today.html
Quote:According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.
And before this happened?
Quote:When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light. During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, going from subatomic-sized to golf-ball-sized almost instantaneously.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:11 am
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Quote:There is no longer really "junk" DNA. There is non-coding DNA which performs as the operating system. Over 85 percent of DNA is non-coding DNA. 3 percent is coding and the remainder may be for future potential micro-evolution.
Already link a debunking to this ID spin .
https://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the...ncode.html
http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2014/05/what...-2012.html
http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2012/09/bren...ejunk.html
And you using a block of wikipedia text did not address it .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:18 am
(May 4, 2018 at 8:58 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 4, 2018 at 7:06 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You mean he's not ready to cope with the idea that Genesis may havev happened on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLANET?
That would just push the problem back one step further. That intelligence would still need a designer. The entire universe is designed. The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space. How much matter can no space hold? Exactly, zero. Additionally, the universe is fine-tuned to un-imaginable degrees. One independent constant out of about 30 of them alone has a 1:10^120 probability. There have only been 10^16 seconds since the Big Bang and there are 10^80 atoms in the known universe to give an idea of scale. LOL, Martian Jehovah seeds life on Earth by a random rock that is first blown off Mars and then wanders around the Solar system until it hits our planet and 4 billion years later the Chosen people come along.
Do you even think about this shit?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:18 am
CDF47,
I don't accept the premise that DNA can't be explained by natural processes.
But even if I did accept that premise, what makes you think that DNA (or indeed anything) can be explained by unnatural or supernatural processes?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:20 am
(May 4, 2018 at 9:18 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (May 4, 2018 at 8:58 am)CDF47 Wrote: That would just push the problem back one step further. That intelligence would still need a designer. The entire universe is designed. The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space. How much matter can no space hold? Exactly, zero. Additionally, the universe is fine-tuned to un-imaginable degrees. One independent constant out of about 30 of them alone has a 1:10^120 probability. There have only been 10^16 seconds since the Big Bang and there are 10^80 atoms in the known universe to give an idea of scale. LOL, Martian Jehovah seeds life on Earth by a random rock that is first blown off Mars and then wanders around the Solar system until it hits our planet and 4 billion years later the Chosen people come along.
Do you even think about this shit?
The martians obviously did, and figured god was a fuckup, spreading his attention around to new projects before he solved their very real needs.... and look what happened to them....
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:21 am
(May 4, 2018 at 3:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth.
Got any evidence?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 9:22 am
(May 4, 2018 at 9:21 am)Hammy Wrote: (May 4, 2018 at 3:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth.
Got any evidence?
All we need is one example not from a mind to counteract his claim. There have been plenty of examples provided already.
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