DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Mister Agenda]

Thank you very much for the welcome.  I am glad to be here.  The problem with that argument is, DNA contains extremely complex and specified information (A, C, T, and G) in a four digit digital code which encodes amino acids to be sequentially placed to create complex proteins which perform different functions in a cell.  There are also molecular machines in the cell which are highly specified complex and functional.  I could go on all day about this but I will leave it at that for now.  It is truly amazing.  See the videos below for more information:

Interacting chemicals are not digital codes.

[Amarok]

CSI is a measure of the quantity of information contained in an item that meets the requirement of being both complex and specified, which shows whether the item is either designed or naturally-occurring.

ID bollucks

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Complex_Sp...nformation

https://pandasthumb.org/archives/2013/04...nable.html

[CDF47]

I can't wait to dissect the creator to prove that he was also created by another creator.

Valkyrie can supply the scalpels and I'll type the report.  Let's do this!

How are you doing?  You post here as well?  Good to see you here.

[Amarok]

Encode was mistakes 

https://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2018/02/enc...er-of.html

Oh I was working on analysing enhancer and promoter regions when I was training up in Bioinformatics in my last job. Only worked on it for 6 months though before my contract ran out. I was only following the instructions of the PI though and didn't have much idea what she was looking for. As far as I could see the field seemed to be about fishing for patterns or correlations.

I found the idea of enhancer and promoter regions and areas where DNA strands meet interesting though from a computational point of view.

Very interesting

[Mister Agenda]

See the videos below for how DNA works.  Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth.  Computer codes always come from programmers.  Nested in DNA is information which on this earth always comes from an intelligence:

That information always comes from a mind or intelligent being is what you want to prove, not just assert, or you're wasting everyone's time. We understand where the information in DNA comes from, what 'does the programming': the effect of the environment on the organism's reproductive success.

[CDF47]

Elephant in the room...but...wouldn't shannon information also need a designer...what with information always coming from minds and all?

It doesn't seem to make sense, as an objection to the idea that information doesn't require a designer....to concede that some information doesn't require a designer, when you're trying to establish that all information comes from a designer, ergo dna demonstrates a god.

Moving forward, how much micro evolution do you think there needs to be in order for it to be classified as macro evolution?  In this..I fear, we may be drifting towards a "genetics is true when I think it proves my god, but false when it rubs up against some other thing I believe" situation...........and, just as with the above, it would be counterproductive to erode the credibility of the postulate you seek to use as informative.

Non-functional information is Shannon Information.  Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.

[The Grand Nudger]

Elephant in the room...but...wouldn't shannon information also need a designer...what with information always coming from minds and all?

It doesn't seem to make sense, as an objection to the idea that information doesn't require a designer....to concede that some information doesn't require a designer, when you're trying to establish that all information comes from a designer, ergo dna demonstrates a god.

Moving forward, how much micro evolution do you think there needs to be in order for it to be classified as macro evolution?  In this..I fear, we may be drifting towards a "genetics is true when I think it proves my god, but false when it rubs up against some other thing I believe" situation...........and, just as with the above, it would be counterproductive to erode the credibility of the postulate you seek to use as informative.

Non-functional information is Shannon Information.  Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.

Do both require a mind/designer, or not?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and be saved.

Goodness, saved from what?  Should I lock my doors...clutch my pearls and my guns?  Am I under some kind of threat?  By whom?

Maybe he's talking about being saved to long term storage. We could all be living in a game and we need to make regular saves otherwise we have to start all over again if we die.

[Joods]

awwww damn.

[CDF47]

The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space.  How much matter can no space hold?  Exactly, zero. 

There was no matter at the point of the Big Bang. Only energy.

https://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-u...today.html

According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.

And before this happened?

When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light. During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, going from subatomic-sized to golf-ball-sized almost instantaneously.

There was infinite curvature according to Hawkings' calculations so there must have been 0 space and 0 matter.  So there must have been infinite energy at the Big Bang?  How is that possible?