CDF47 Wrote:Thank you very much for the welcome.  I am glad to be here.  The problem with that argument is, DNA contains extremely complex and specified information (A, C, T, and G) in a four digit digital code which encodes amino acids to be sequentially placed to create complex proteins which perform different functions in a cell.  There are also molecular machines in the cell which are highly specified complex and functional.  I could go on all day about this but I will leave it at that for now.  It is truly amazing.  See the videos below for more information:

Quote:CSI is a measure of the quantity of information contained in an item that meets the requirement of being both complex and specified, which shows whether the item is either designed or naturally-occurring.

(May 4, 2018 at 8:59 am)Astreja Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 3:55 am)Little lunch Wrote: I can't wait to dissect the creator to prove that he was also created by another creator.

Valkyrie can supply the scalpels and I'll type the report.  Let's do this!

(May 4, 2018 at 10:03 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 9:26 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Encode was mistakes 

https://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2018/02/enc...er-of.html

Oh I was working on analysing enhancer and promoter regions when I was training up in Bioinformatics in my last job. Only worked on it for 6 months though before my contract ran out. I was only following the instructions of the PI though and didn't have much idea what she was looking for. As far as I could see the field seemed to be about fishing for patterns or correlations.

I found the idea of enhancer and promoter regions and areas where DNA strands meet interesting though from a computational point of view.

CDF47 Wrote:See the videos below for how DNA works.  Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth.  Computer codes always come from programmers.  Nested in DNA is information which on this earth always comes from an intelligence:

(May 4, 2018 at 9:08 am)Khemikal Wrote: Elephant in the room...but...wouldn't shannon information also need a designer...what with information always coming from minds and all?

It doesn't seem to make sense, as an objection to the idea that information doesn't require a designer....to concede that some information doesn't require a designer, when you're trying to establish that all information comes from a designer, ergo dna demonstrates a god.

Moving forward, how much micro evolution do you think there needs to be in order for it to be classified as macro evolution?  In this..I fear, we may be drifting towards a "genetics is true when I think it proves my god, but false when it rubs up against some other thing I believe" situation...........and, just as with the above, it would be counterproductive to erode the credibility of the postulate you seek to use as informative.

(May 4, 2018 at 10:09 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 9:08 am)Khemikal Wrote: Elephant in the room...but...wouldn't shannon information also need a designer...what with information always coming from minds and all?

It doesn't seem to make sense, as an objection to the idea that information doesn't require a designer....to concede that some information doesn't require a designer, when you're trying to establish that all information comes from a designer, ergo dna demonstrates a god.

Moving forward, how much micro evolution do you think there needs to be in order for it to be classified as macro evolution?  In this..I fear, we may be drifting towards a "genetics is true when I think it proves my god, but false when it rubs up against some other thing I believe" situation...........and, just as with the above, it would be counterproductive to erode the credibility of the postulate you seek to use as informative.

Non-functional information is Shannon Information.  Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.

(May 4, 2018 at 10:05 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 10:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: Believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and be saved.

Goodness, saved from what?  Should I lock my doors...clutch my pearls and my guns?  Am I under some kind of threat?  By whom?

(May 4, 2018 at 9:09 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 8:58 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe, in the beginning, had infinite curvature which means it had no space.  How much matter can no space hold?  Exactly, zero. 

There was no matter at the point of the Big Bang. Only energy.

https://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-u...today.html

Quote:According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.

And before this happened?

Quote:When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light. During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, going from subatomic-sized to golf-ball-sized almost instantaneously.