(May 9, 2018 at 9:36 am)Drich Wrote: We are 'good enough' through Christ.

That explains so much.

(May 9, 2018 at 2:06 am)Quick Wrote:

(May 9, 2018 at 1:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm sure a lot of people go to Heaven, though it is impossible to say what the heaven to hell ratio is... If most people go to Heaven or if most go to hell.

There are plenty of pretty bad people out there, they just dont usually out themselves. So who knows.

This is interesting because "the way is narrow" and all that. It's harder for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, plenty examples.

Like I said, I don't know what the ratio is. Us Catholics believe in Purgatory too, so that's an added factor.

(May 9, 2018 at 3:17 am)surreptitious57 Wrote:

Godscreated Wrote: You are incorrect in your view from the Christian stand and the atheist
Sin is anything that is against Gods nature and will. There is no other standard just because atheist do not like who God is does not excuse them
nor does it excuse Christians if they choose to ignore who God is. It doesnt matter what anyone believes it is entirely what God deems to be right

It is not that atheists do not like God rather that they do not think he exists. You are right though
that it does not matter what anyone believes only what is true and can be demonstrated to be so

Black holes are said to be real by astronomers they speak of them as true can you demonstrate they really exist. Then maybe we can try for quasars and how they come into existence.

GC

There's no point providing scientific evidence to a man who thinks Adam and Eve were real people.  Knowledge is wasted on you, G-C.  Stick to your fucking bible.

Godscreated Wrote:

surreptitious57 Wrote:It is not that atheists do not like God rather that they do not think he exists. You are right though
that it does not matter what anyone believes only what is true and can be demonstrated to be so

Black holes are said to be real by astronomers they speak of them as true can you demonstrate they really exist
Then maybe we can try for quasars and how they come into existence

Last year gravitational waves were discovered for the very first time by the two LIGO detectors in Washington and in Louisiana
They were caused by the collision of two black holes and the displaced mass then propagated at light speed through spacetime
Also every galaxy rotates around a black hole for they are the only objects of mass that can generate such gravitational effects

Quasars are neutron stars that have been crushed by gravity to their smallest possible point and emit very bright electromagnetic radiation

(May 9, 2018 at 11:33 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Black holes are said to be real by astronomers they speak of them as true can you demonstrate they really exist. Then maybe we can try for quasars and how they come into existence.

GC

The behaviour of stars at the centre of our galaxy indicates they are orbiting 'something' with an immense gravitational pull.
We don't know what that thing is but the only thing that fits the picture is a black hole.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks other ducks and has baby ducks; it's a duck.

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(May 10, 2018 at 2:30 am)surreptitious57 Wrote: ...Quasars are neutron stars that have been crushed by gravity to their smallest possible point and emit very bright electromagnetic radiation

Are you sure?

surreptitious57 Wrote:Quasars are neutron stars that have been crushed by gravity to their smallest possible point and emit very bright electromagnetic radiation

Those are pulsars not quasars which are not stars but entire galaxies although like pulsars they also emit very bright electromagnetic radiation

(May 10, 2018 at 2:30 am)surreptitious57 Wrote:

Godscreated Wrote:Black holes are said to be real by astronomers they speak of them as true can you demonstrate they really exist
Then maybe we can try for quasars and how they come into existence

Last year gravitational waves were discovered for the very first time by the two LIGO detectors in Washington and in Louisiana
They were caused by the collision of two black holes and the displaced mass then propagated at light speed through spacetime
Also every galaxy rotates around a black hole for they are the only objects of mass that can generate such gravitational effects

Quasars are neutron stars that have been crushed by gravity to their smallest possible point and emit very bright electromagnetic radiation

 That is all subject to interpretation of information, you can't show me a black hole, one has never been observed and some scientist are starting to doubt they exist, for me I do not know if they are real or not. Quasars are supposedly formed by the gravity of black holes that haven't been proven to exist. Until a black hole is observed they are speculation and the formation of quasars are also speculation. I'm not trying to argue science with you I'm trying to show you that unbelievers are believing things to be true that have no proof and yet it is being touted as truth.

GC

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(May 10, 2018 at 5:41 am)Succubus Wrote:

(May 9, 2018 at 11:33 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Black holes are said to be real by astronomers they speak of them as true can you demonstrate they really exist. Then maybe we can try for quasars and how they come into existence.

GC

The behaviour of stars at the centre of our galaxy indicates they are orbiting 'something' with an immense gravitational pull.
We don't know what that thing is but the only thing that fits the picture is a black hole.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks other ducks and has baby ducks; it's a duck.

  You have a problem here, we can physically observe ducks and a black hole has never be seen. I'm not saying that black holes are not possible but that they are touted as fact when in fact we do not know if they are real or not. The black hole theory is something made up to explain what is being observed. This is the same thing that atheist say about ancient people, so today's scientist are no better than the ancients if we fairly consider this comparison.

GC

Godscreated Wrote:

surreptitious57 Wrote:Last year gravitational waves were discovered for the very first time by the two LIGO detectors in Washington and in Louisiana
They were caused by the collision of two black holes and the displaced mass then propagated at light speed through spacetime
Also every galaxy rotates around a black hole for they are the only objects of mass that can generate such gravitational effects

 That is all subject to interpretation of information you cannot show me a black hole one has never been observed and some scientists are starting to doubt they exist for me I do not know
if they are real or not. Quasars are supposedly formed by the gravity of black holes that have not been proven to exist. Until a black hole is observed they are speculation and the formation
of quasars are also speculation. I am not trying to argue science with you I am trying to show you that unbelievers are believing things to be true that have no proof and yet it is being touted as truth

Something does not have to be directly observed to be known to exist. Where there is sufficient evidence for something that will indicate its existence. Although evidence is not absolute and so can be open
to interpretation. Science is an inductive discipline so it can never categorically prove something exists. It can only say that it probably exists but more evidence increases the probability of it actually existing

People have discussed Jesus for centuries but no one has ever answered the question: What did he ever do that makes him worthy to be worshiped as a deity?