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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:24 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 11:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 14, 2018 at 11:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Bacterial flagellum motor is irreducibly complex as well as other molecular machines.
You've been misinformed. Nature is full of functional flagellum with missing parts. They're leveraged for protein export, and they've changed very little since adaptation.
You realize that you just destroyed your own claim..right?
Lemme ask you some questions. Are you at all concerned that every single thing you've brought to our attention about this allegedly intelligent design and designer has been completely wrong? Is that the pattern you were looking to build, is this what you were lead to believe was accurate, and are you representing your faith or yourself in a way even remotely close to whatever goal you might have in either area?
BS...My points stand correct. Whenever I said something minor in error, I acknowledged it, and made correction (like I always do).
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:25 pm
I can't believe this thread is still a thing, TBQH.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:28 pm
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(May 14, 2018 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 14, 2018 at 11:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You've been misinformed. Nature is full of functional flagellum with missing parts. They're leveraged for protein export, and they've changed very little since adaptation.
You realize that you just destroyed your own claim..right?
Lemme ask you some questions. Are you at all concerned that every single thing you've brought to our attention about this allegedly intelligent design and designer has been completely wrong? Is that the pattern you were looking to build, is this what you were lead to believe was accurate, and are you representing your faith or yourself in a way even remotely close to whatever goal you might have in either area?
BS...My points stand correct. Whenever I said something minor in error, I acknowledged it, and made correction (like I always do). You made no acknowledgement or corrections. Can we expect an acknowledgement and correction for your failure to acknowledge and correct?
Honestly, why is this lump of pathetic ideas so valuable to you? I remember...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllll the way back at the beginnning of thois thread, you told us that learning that id was garbage wouldn;t affect your faith, that you had no complex or specific attachment to it that rendered your faith irreducibly complex in it;s absence. Well, you're being shown all of the ways that ID is garbage.
I think you might need to make some acknowledgement and corrections to that as well.
(I had you pegged for an eye man, btw..but it was 50/50 eyes or flagellum.)
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:28 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 11:20 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:No, you use ridicule as a debate tactic like your leader Richard Dawkins has instructed you.
Nope ridicule is what you do when someone says something dumb. Dawkins is not my leader i don't even like him . And i don't care what he instructs . I ridicule you not for tactics or instruction i do because your creationist ideas are retarded .
Quote:Becoming the majority was mentioned somewhere.
I don't care i have no interest in that
Quote:I really hope that never happens in this country.
I'm sure you don't
Quote:I saw the film. It may be edited weird. Not sure if it is a video hack job though.
Uh huh
True.
Quote:Please, you wish. I won this debate by speaking truth. No, BS tactics used.
Lol no you did not you lost hands down even with your creationist talking points and lies . Straight up propaganda pushing from start to now .
Quote:No it doesn't.
Yes it does
Quote:Yeah, that weak article.
Nope that strong article that made an air tight case
Quote:The CIA World Fact Book lists it as a Constitutional Federal Republic. I'll go with that.
Once again it did not refute the article . It does not matter what you go with . The case is air tight .
Your ridicule is just a debate trick and it shows maturity level.
Fair enough.
You're right, I don't.
Possibly that part.
I won the debate based on the first post topic on DNA information. I won other debates in here on other topics as well.
Agree to disagree.
Agree to disagree.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:30 pm
Quote:BS...My points stand correct.
Nope totally destroyed
Quote:Whenever I said something minor in error, I acknowledged it, and made correction (like I always do).
Now that is BS
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:32 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 11:22 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The flagellum isn't irreducibly complex after all, then, is it?
In a completely stunning twist..neither is the "pump". It;s called precursor protein translocation.
Yes, as I have said with certain parts it is a pump and with more parts added it is a outboard motor. The flagellum is still irreducibly complex because certain specific parts need to be removed in order for it to operate as a pump.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:33 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2018 at 11:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I can run to the bk and get you a little paper crown, if that;s what you're after CDF. Then you can talk about all the winning you do in a regal fashion.
You;d still be wrong, but at least you'd have a spiffy hat.
It is not irreducibly complex..because removing parts doesn;t make the system non functional. That is the definition of irreducible complexity advanced by behe, and destroyed by peer review..and then in court, and now..even by you, in this thread. You were wrong, again. I;m not ribbing you by telling you this, or posturing or trying to get a rise out of you. You have been dead wrong about everything ID related in this thread. You;re even wrong by ID standards..........in this.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:34 pm
Quote:Your ridicule is just a debate trick and it shows maturity level.
Nope it's an honest attack on your nonsense it's got nothing to do with debate or tactics .
Quote:I won the debate based on the first post topic on DNA information. I won other debates in here on other topics as well.
No you didn't you have lost on every subject and it's mother . You have failed completely to Creationism and have succeeded only in showing why you beliefs are without merit .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:34 pm
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(May 14, 2018 at 11:23 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Not nonsense or contradictory. He allows change within the framework of His plans. It is His will and it is clear in the Bible that if it matches His will He will answer prayers,..., within the framework of the Bible.
Yes it is
Quote:It is irreducibly complex but a reduced version of it can serve as a pump. It's brilliant.
Self refuted
Quote:If specific parts are removed it can perform as a pump. That pump is then irreducibly complex. It's actually brilliant. With certain parts it is a pump, add some parts and it is an outboard motor. A brilliant mind must have been behind that.
And each part can function as something else and etc etc etc. And no evolution is behind it .
http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2011/12/torl...cible.html
Agree to disagree.
See post above.
It is designed. Certain parts can be used for other machines I agree. Like the union might work for another molecular machine,....
(May 14, 2018 at 11:24 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (May 14, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: He was . Stein asked Dawkins if ID was possible . He said it was possible that and advanced civilization could have seeded life on earth . Note at no point did he say he believed this .He said it was possible. Then somehow it was depicted as if this was what he believed .
Bad editing?!? ![[Image: LMAO.gif]](https://image.ibb.co/jhKc56/LMAO.gif)
Stein the Fraud commits a serious act of quote mining and IDiot Boy tries to pass it off as bad editing? That's just fucking sad.
Got to hand it to IDiot Boy, though. He's a persistent little cuss. Even going so far as to quote someone who has openly stated that he placed IDiot Boy on ignore. 
No, I said that could be a hack job (meaning a manipulative way to edit the film). It is a common way of talking about the way media can hack a segment to appear different than what was actually said.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 11:39 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2018 at 11:44 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:Agree to disagree.
No
Quote:See post above.
It's still wrong
Quote:It is designed. Certain parts can be used for other machines I agree. Like the union might work for another molecular machine,.
No it's not . Nope this refutes the point . If it can be reduced it not irreducibly complex no matter how specific the alteration . And if it can be alter once there is no reason to believe it can't be altered ever more. Or that it's individual components could not have been part of prior evolved systems . When you accept one alteration there is no reason to to accept a vast variety of prior forms that with varied additions came to current states.
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