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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:03 am
(May 15, 2018 at 1:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: Romans 1:20 "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Information in DNA, molecular machines, the fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang theory, living system body plans, consciousness,.... His attributes are perceived in the things He made. Mystic rubbish from a fairytale book
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: The "bottom level" of functioning life is the moment that it becomes life. Whatever caused that reaction....that would approach the notion of irreducible complexity...however, it;s chemistry at that point...so all this machine nonsense would be inapplicable even if you managed to get it right. This is how we know that irreducible complexity ois a failed idea. It;s not that Behe et al picked the wrong examples or candidates...the notion itself is fundamentally bankrupt.
You could ask me "what;s under that...then?"s all night and nothing about that will change.
I disagree. The lowest level of the machine found would be irreducibly complex. We are close on the flagellum (it goes down 3 levels according to you). I am familiar with the pump but not the other two machines.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am
(May 15, 2018 at 1:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: Romans 1:20 "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Information in DNA, molecular machines, the fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang theory, living system body plans, consciousness,.... His attributes are perceived in the things He made.
-and if that;s true..then you've completely failed for 200 pages to show it, which is approximately one tenth of the time christ has been failing to show it...or up.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:05 am
Quote:I disagree. The lowest level of the machine found would be irreducibly complex. We are close on the flagellum (it goes down 3 levels according to you). I am familiar with the pump but not the other two machines.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:06 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:03 am)Tizheruk Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: Romans 1:20 "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Information in DNA, molecular machines, the fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang theory, living system body plans, consciousness,.... His attributes are perceived in the things He made. Mystic rubbish from a fairytale book
I don't think so. I provided the proof and evidence I have. It should be clear that it was created by a Creator. I believe that is the Lord of the Bible.
(May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: Romans 1:20 "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Information in DNA, molecular machines, the fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang theory, living system body plans, consciousness,.... His attributes are perceived in the things He made.
-and if that;s true..then you've completely failed for 200 pages to show it, which is approximately one tenth of the time christ has been failing to show it...or up.
2 Peter 3: " [b]1[/b]This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, [b]2[/b]that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, [b]3[/b]knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. [/b]They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:09 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: The "bottom level" of functioning life is the moment that it becomes life. Whatever caused that reaction....that would approach the notion of irreducible complexity...however, it;s chemistry at that point...so all this machine nonsense would be inapplicable even if you managed to get it right. This is how we know that irreducible complexity ois a failed idea. It;s not that Behe et al picked the wrong examples or candidates...the notion itself is fundamentally bankrupt.
You could ask me "what;s under that...then?"s all night and nothing about that will change.
I disagree. With a definition. That;s what you're disagreeing with., The definition of irreducible complexity as described by the man who coined the term. The term does not mean "the last thing we can explain".
Quote:The lowest level of the machine found would be irreducibly complex.
That is not what the term means.
Quote:We are close on the flagellum (it goes down 3 levels according to you). I am familiar with the pump but not the other two machines.
We're not close..and not according to me. It;s almost as if you're having an entirely different conversation with me in your head. Not only are there precursor trans to protein pumps...there are chemical and osmotic trans beneath those. Precursors all the way to chemistry. -All of which persist in extant life, some of it indicative of the lca between pro and eukaryotes.
It is a failed idea. You should have discarded it when you realized they were bullshitting you about the flagellum.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:10 am
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Quote:I don't think so.
Don't care
Quote:
I provided the proof and evidence I have
Nope not a shred just fallacies ,Propaganda , Talking points , etc etc etc
Quote: It should be clear that it was created by a Creator.
Anything but
Quote: I believe that is the Lord of the Bible.
Don't care
Quote:2 Peter 3: "[b]1[/b]This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, [b]2[/b]that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, [/b]knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. [url=http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-4.htm][/url][/b]They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:14 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:09 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: I disagree. With a definition. That;s what you're disagreeing with., The definition of irreducible complet as described by the man who coined the term. The term does not mean "the last thing we can explain".
Quote:The lowest level of the machine found would be irreducibly complex.
That is not what the term means.
Quote:We are close on the flagellum (it goes down 3 levels according to you). I am familiar with the pump but not the other two machines.
We're not close..and not according to me. It;s almost as if you're having an entirely different conversation with me in your head. Not only are there precursor trans to protein pumps...there are chemical and osmotic trans beneath those. Precursors all the way to chemistry.
No, I don't disagree with the simple definition of the term. Just logically speaking it would have to be at the lowest level of that machine type.
LOL...I see what you are saying. I see it that the lowest level machine is the pump which is irreducibly complex. There is no other machine below this but a bunch of components.
What would it take for you to become believers that there is a Creator?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:21 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I don't disagree with the simple definition of the term. Just logically speaking it would have to be at the lowest level of that machine type. The analogy to machines is incoherent at the lowest "levels" of biolgy.
Quote:LOL...I see what you are saying. I see it that the lowest level machine is the pump which is irreducibly complex. There is no other machine below this but a bunch of components.
You can "see it" however you like..but you;'re still flat wrong, and so was Behe.
Quote:What would it take for you to become believers that there is a Creator?
If people stopped fobbing off this ID shit all at once, that might do the trick. Imagine a world in which you think the ID thoughts but can;t form them into words. They just get stuck in your throat. It would be as if the lord of creation was sick of people lying about him and his design.
Kinda makes ya wonder why he doesn;t..... I bet there's a simple explanation for that.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:25 am
(May 15, 2018 at 1:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I don't disagree with the simple definition of the term. Just logically speaking it would have to be at the lowest level of that machine type. The analogy to machines is incoherent at the lowest "levels" of biolgy.
Quote:LOL...I see what you are saying. I see it that the lowest level machine is the pump which is irreducibly complex. There is no other machine below this but a bunch of components.
You can "see it" however you like..but you;'re still flat wrong, and so was Behe.
Quote:What would it take for you to become believers that there is a Creator?
If people stopped fobbing off this ID shit all at once, that might do the trick. Imagine a world in which you think the ID thoughts but can;t form them into words. They just get stuck in your throat. It would be as if the lord of creation was sick of people lying about him.
Proteins are molecular machines. It is not just an analogy.
We shall see who is wrong. I am still looking into it.
ID is scientific reasoning for a Creator. Can't give that up. We've come so far in our discoveries. I am not lying. Everything I said I believe.
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