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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:01 pm
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(May 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Neo-Darwinist propaganda. Where does the information in DNA come from? Same place as the last time you asked, and the time before that, and the time before that. The environment.
Quote: (May 15, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The most impressive failure of creationism and creationists isn;t in the fact that they get biology wrong from the ground floor to thew penthouse, imo. It's their complete inability to imagine a world in which they're wrong about any single thing.
It's because we are right.
Oh, I get that you think you're right about god. That your faith informs you in a way you take to be certain that there is a design and a designer. I;m wondering, and I've already asked this multiple times, whether or not you can imagine a world in which you are right about that...but wrong about all of this id nonsensee?
I ask this question, because...assuming -this- world is the world you'e right about god in...ID is still wrong. You;ve made it clear that...at least ion your mind, ID is integral to your faith. I;m only trying to help you see that it isn;t, and that whatever explanation for your designer god and his design there might be, ID isn;t it. ID is a con, an exploitation of the certainty with which your faith informs your worldview.
It doesn;t have to be true for your religion to be true... and it being false doesn;t make your religion false...unless you insist as much yourself.
Knowing that, understanding that, just accept for a moment that ID is as patently false as it is. Is your faith suddenly a lie? Because if it is..it seems to me like you might have bigger problems than any misunderstandings you have about biology.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:01 pm
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Quote:Neo-Darwinist propaganda.
Nope facts and refutations
Quote:Where does the information in DNA come from?
Fallacy . Argument from ignorance
Quote:Not sure how He chooses to add new information into the systems to have them created
Lol hypocrite
Quote:It's because we are right.
Nope totally wrong about everything.
Quote:LOL. Yeah right.
Yeah he is right and your wrong .
Quote:Behe is an excellent scientist. You are just biased of your views against him.
Nope he's a charlatan. It's got nothing to do with views or biases he sucks .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:06 pm
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(May 15, 2018 at 10:01 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Neo-Darwinist propaganda. Where does the information in DNA come from? Same place as the last time you asked, and the time before that, and the time before that. The environment.
Quote:It's because we are right.
Oh, I get that you think you're right about god. That your faith informs you in a way you take to be certain that there is a design and a designer. I;m wondering, and I've already asked this multiple times, whether or not you can imagine a world in which you are right about that...but wrong about all of this id nonsesne.
I ask this question, because...assuming -this- world is the world you'e right about god in...ID is still wrong.
The environment has no intelligence to it and cannot create the amazing machines we see in ID. It takes a mind to do that. The entire environment is designed anyway.
I can't imagine such a world. ID is reasoning behind how the world works and shows it is done through design rather than random variations.
(May 15, 2018 at 10:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Neo-Darwinist propaganda.
Nope facts and refutations
Quote:Where does the information in DNA come from?
Fallacy . Argument from ignorance
Quote:Not sure how He chooses to add new information into the systems to have them created
Lol hypocrite
Quote:It's because we are right.
Nope totally wrong about everything
Disagree.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:10 pm
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(May 15, 2018 at 10:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The environment has no intelligence to it That;s not very kind. You;re a part of the environment that the information in dna comes from. I assume you consider yourself of average intelligence at least?
Quote:and cannot create the amazing machines we see in ID.
-and yet it did. A True Believer™ might stand in awe and say "see, god is so much bigger than I thought".....
Quote:It takes a mind to do that.
...but you, instead, demand that god be much smaller.
Quote:The entire environment is designed anyway.
Parts of it, sure, by minds and by nature.
Quote:I can't imagine such a world. ID is reasoning behind how the world works and shows it is done through design rather than random variations.
ID is not any reasoning about the way the worlds works, and it shows only that some people are too careless with their small minded religious beliefs to avoid a known con. The failure of your imagination, however, is your own problem, and your entire problem. It;s not gods problem...and it;s no one else on this boards problem.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:15 pm
(May 15, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 10:06 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The environment has no intelligence to it That;s not very kind. You;re a part of the environment that the information in dna comes from. I assume you consider yourself of average intelligence at least?
Quote:and cannot create the amazing machines we see in ID.
-and yet it did. A True Believer™ might stand in awe and say "see, god is so much bigger than I thought".....
Quote:It takes a mind to do that.
...but you, instead, demand that god be much smaller.
Quote:The entire environment is designed anyway.
Parts of it, sure, by minds and by nature.
Quote:I can't imagine such a world. ID is reasoning behind how the world works and shows it is done through design rather than random variations.
ID is not any reasoning about the way the worlds works, and it shows only that some people are too careless with their small minded religious beliefs to avoid a known con.
I meant the environment cannot create information without a mind to encode the construction of highly sophisticated nano-machines.
God is all almighty. I realize God's eternal greatness.
How so?
The entire universe and everything in it is designed by a mind.
Dr. Stephen C. Meyer, Dr. Behe, and others are not con men.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:15 pm
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Quote:The environment has no intelligence to it
No reason to accept this claim . And begging the question
Quote: and cannot create the amazing machines we see in ID.
Baseless assertion and circular reasoning
Quote:It takes a mind to do that.
Begging the question
Quote:The entire environment is designed anyway.
Begging the question
Quote:I can't imagine such a world.
Personnel credulity
Quote:ID is reasoning behind how the world works and shows it is done through design rather than random variations.
Personnel credulity
Quote:Assertion lose anything. You wish I did. Watch the video I posted covers this in great detail
Nope you lost this whole thread and your videoes don't help you in the least .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:16 pm
(May 15, 2018 at 10:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God is all almighty. I realize God's eternal greatness.
It would first be nice to prove that a god exists.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:17 pm
Quote:Disagree.
It does not matter. Appeal to opinion . Your just full of fallacies
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:18 pm
(May 15, 2018 at 10:16 pm)Kit Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 10:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God is all almighty. I realize God's eternal greatness.
It would first be nice to prove that a god exists.
His creation proves His work.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 10:18 pm
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(May 15, 2018 at 10:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I meant the environment cannot create information without a mind to encode the construction of highly sophisticated nano-machines. An absurd claim. We see it happening all the time.
Quote:God is all almighty. I realize God's eternal greatness.
You don;t know god at all.
Quote:Dr. Stephen C. Meyer, Dr. Behe, and others are not con men.
Known and admitted cons. Look at what you've done. You;ve saddled god with a couple of charlatans, lol. False prophets of a pagan idol.
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