(May 16, 2018 at 7:26 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:25 am)Mathilda Wrote: How can you design something to be flawed anyway? Flaws by definition are unintentional.

I guess it would be more accurate to say designed to decay over time and die.

Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

And why not mention to Adam and Eve that the apple was toxic?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:39 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: universe.

Where in Genesis does it state that?  I am not a heretic.

Haven't you read it? I have. Genesis makes it very clear.

Do you need chapter and verse? Because if I must provide those, and I can, it will make it very clear that you have not read it.

I've read the entire Bible cover to cover.  I've read Genesis multiple times and studied it.  Not sure what you are talking about but I provided verses of God's power in the Scriptures.

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(May 16, 2018 at 7:40 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:26 am)CDF47 Wrote: I guess it would be more accurate to say designed to decay over time and die.

Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

And why not mention to Adam and Eve that the apple was toxic?

He gave them free will to obey Him or not.  They chose not to.  He told them if they ate of it, they would surely die.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:40 am)Mathilda Wrote: Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

And why not mention to Adam and Eve that the apple was toxic?

He gave them free will to obey Him or not.  They chose not to.  He told them if they ate of it, they would surely die.

Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:46 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He gave them free will to obey Him or not.  They chose not to.  He told them if they ate of it, they would surely die.

Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

Free will choice to obey or not.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:47 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:46 am)Mathilda Wrote: Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

Free will choice to obey or not.

So god doesn't have control over us?

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 12:58 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Behe?

You may as well cite Ken Ham as an expert on dinosaurs.

Behe and his organisation couldn't even convince a conservative Christian judge that ID wasn't creationism by another name!

It's science. Court case was BS.

This thread could be used for a case study on confirmation bias. Over the last several days CDF47 has repeatedly exhibited biased search for information, biased interpretation, persistence in discredited beliefs, preference for early information, and illusory association.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:49 am)SaStrike Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:47 am)CDF47 Wrote: Free will choice to obey or not.

So god doesn't have control over us?

He does but we are not robots.  He gave us free will.

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(May 16, 2018 at 7:53 am)popeyespappy Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's science. Court case was BS.

This thread could be used for a case study on confirmation bias. Over the last several days CDF47 has repeatedly exhibited biased search for information, biased interpretation, persistence in discredited beliefs, preference for early information, and illusory association.

I provided proof and evidence of design based on scientific findings; such as information in DNA, the operation of molecular machines, the fine-tuned universe,... That's not confirmation bias.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:47 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:46 am)Mathilda Wrote: Why did your god place an apple in a garden that when eaten would redesign people to decay over time and die?

Free will choice to obey or not.

Why did he give humans free will if it meant that they would end up decaying over time and dieing?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:57 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:47 am)CDF47 Wrote: Free will choice to obey or not.

Why did he give humans free will if it meant that they would end up decaying over time  and dieing?

It was His will not to force them to love and obey Him.  He gave them that choice.  They fell but He had a plan to redeem them through Jesus Christ; the Lord.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:59 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:57 am)Mathilda Wrote: Why did he give humans free will if it meant that they would end up decaying over time  and dieing?

It was His will not to force them to love and obey Him.  He gave them that choice.  They fell but He had a plan to redeem them through Jesus Christ; the Lord.

OK to summarise, your god designed everything, including perfect immortal humans to love and obey him. But he decided that he wanted them to love him out of their own free will and not because they were forced to (sounds like an abusive relationship)

So Adam and Eve were somehow designed to have free will and make their own decisions. But to achieve that he needed to put something in their environment that he could forbid them from doing. This was an apple that would redesign Adam and Eve to decay over time and to die. But if they did that then many thousands of years later their descendents (but not all) would be able to be redeemed by Jesus Christ.

I have to say that if your god wrote this up as a scientific paper that I was reviewing that I'd have to reject it on the grounds that the outcome was inevitable.

Given the freedom to perform a range of actions then the probability of performing all of them tends towards 1 over time.