(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: Exactly, that is because God willed that to happen.  He wanted to allow Adam to name the animals.

You designed it.

So your god did not design the circuit diagram that I designed.

Correct, He allowed you to design it.

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(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

A little bit but not too much right now.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Mathilda Wrote: So your god did not design the circuit diagram that I designed.

Correct, He allowed you to design it.

So your god did not design everything in the world because some things are designed by humans.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

I'm pinning him down when he's trying to equivocate to avoid contradicting himself.

You have been unsuccessful then if that is what you are trying to do.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

I'm pinning him down when he's trying to equivocate to avoid contradicting himself.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Mathilda Wrote: So your god did not design the circuit diagram that I designed.

Correct, He allowed you to design it.

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(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

A little bit but not too much right now.

The entire thread is a circle, a shiny lure like circle.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:47 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Correct, He allowed you to design it.

So your god did not design everything in the world because some things are designed by humans.

Everything is under His providence and He allows humans to do certain things, like design, that is correct and that is what I have been saying all along.  I never contradicted that as I have held these beliefs for a very long time.

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(May 16, 2018 at 9:47 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)Mathilda Wrote: I'm pinning him down when he's trying to equivocate to avoid contradicting himself.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Correct, He allowed you to design it.

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A little bit but not too much right now.

The entire thread is a circle, a shiny lure like circle.

There was a lot of circling but my position in the first post still stands. We are designed.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:48 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:47 am)Mathilda Wrote: So your god did not design everything in the world because some things are designed by humans.

Everything is under His providence and He allows humans to do certain things, like design, that is correct and that is what I have been saying all along.  I never contradicted that as I have held these beliefs for a very long time.

Whether or not he allows us to do something is beside the point. I designed a circuit diagram which means that your god did not design it.

Therefore there are some things in the world that are not designed by your god.

Now we can move onto the next point.

Can a human create something without designing it?

(May 16, 2018 at 9:47 am)Kit Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:44 am)Kit Wrote: Around and around in circles we go.

Science now lets us see inside the cell where there is an absolute enormous amount of functional information and highly sophisticated machines which show clear signs of design.  The universe is fine-tuned and had a beginning in the Big Bang.  Time for theology after that and it is the Christian religion which I believe is correct.

Design does not logically follow from "we can see inside the cell".

Except in the deluded mind of a theist.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:52 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:48 am)CDF47 Wrote: Everything is under His providence and He allows humans to do certain things, like design, that is correct and that is what I have been saying all along.  I never contradicted that as I have held these beliefs for a very long time.

Whether or not he allows us to do something is beside the point. I designed a circuit diagram which means that your god did not design it.

Therefore there are some things in the world that are not designed by your god.

Now we can move onto the next point.

Can a human create something without designing it?

He allowed us to design it.  If He wanted to design it through us He could.

When He allows us to do things, yes they are done by us, just like Adam naming the animals.

Yes, the human can create something without designing it, I suppose.  Give me an example of what you are talking about and what you are trying to get at.

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(May 16, 2018 at 9:55 am)Kit Wrote: Design does not logically follow from "we can see inside the cell".  

Except in the deluded mind of a theist.

You left out 80 percent of what I explained.