(May 16, 2018 at 10:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: You took it out of context.

No. It is directly in the context of Genesis. Bleating the "out of context" mantra like a mindless sheep will not help your case.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He always knows where Adam is but wanted Adam to come out from hiding himself.

Your god states that he doesn't. Is god lying?

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, what I said stands.

It was a free will choice to eat the apple.

How could he know it was wrong? He hadn't learned good from evil yet? Why did god intentionally place the tree there in the full knowledge that the serpent would turn up and Adam and eve would eat from the tree? According to you god knew it in advance. There was nothing Adam or eve could do about it? That is not "free will".

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, the serpent told Eve to and she knew because they were told not to eat of that tree.

How would Eve know it was wrong? How would Eve know or understand the consequences of such an action? Why did Eve not drop dead? And Adam?

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, He knew how it would turn out but He had a plan of redemption in place.

Sure, his plan, if such it can be called was for millennia of bloodshed and all manner of horror, followed by raping Mary to impregnate her with himself to give birth to himself so that he could sacrifice himself to himself to forgive everyone else for falling for the rigged game that he himself set up in the first place. And if he knew how it would turn out, nobody else had free will at all.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I am saying He allowed the serpent to tempt them. 

Because your god is that much of a prick. He could easily have prevented all of it.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Oh yes, two trees.  God did not want them to eat of the tree of life so He had it guarded. 

Yes, two trees.

Apology accepted.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: I believe there were carnivorous animals at the time.  I believe there was animal death.  I believe in Old Earth Creationism.

The bible supports none of that.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, you just hate God and do what you can to make Him sound horrible when He is not. 

How can I hate god? He doesn't exist to be hated. And I need make no effort to make god appear horrible. The bible, which you obviously have not read, does that all of it's lonesome.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He is just, loving, merciful, and trustworthy. 

Slavery. Explain slavery.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He also has anger and wrath though and punishes sin.

So not "loving" after all.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Try new verses so we don't go round in circles on these because that is what will happen.

Sure. Have some incest. Noah's family. Lot's family, King David, King solomon and various others.

How about absurdity? Ex 9:6, god kills all the cattle in Egypt. Now that they are all dead, he kills them again in Ex 9:19 and again in Ex 12:29

Disagree.

No, He is not lying.  He is does not lie.

It was free will.  They had the choice not to eat of the tree but they did.

Eve probably knew what death looked like from animal death.  They ended up dying after expulsion from the garden so they could multiply the earth.

Everyone has free will unless God speaks or works through them in moment.  There is a penalty for sin.  God is just and needs to punish for sin.  He offered himself as the sacrifice for that sin.  He gave us his pure righteousness and took on our sin upon Himself.  All glory be to God.

It could be part of the war in heaven.

OK.

I believe it does.

Disagree.

He allowed slavery but had many rules on it so it was not harsh slavery.  There is slavery in the world today still.

Loving but also can get angry like we can.  We are loving and get angry.  We are also to hate sin like he hates sin.

OK, one thing at a time.

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(May 16, 2018 at 10:03 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:56 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, the human can create something without designing it, I suppose. 

So you agree that not everything in the universe is designed despite you repeatedly saying that it is.

I can create things because your god allows me to and I have free will.

If I design something then your god did not design it.

But not everything I create is by design.

When God allows us to design something is designed by us.  That is true.  So what, everything is under God's providence is my point.  If He chose not to allow us to design something we wouldn't.

True.

True, He allowed you to do it.

True.

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(May 16, 2018 at 10:10 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: And I am going to trust those scientists who reveal and thoroughly explain the intricacies of the cell.  The masterful design of the information and machinery.

You rank scientists above your bible?

No way.  God first.  Then family.  Then country.

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(May 16, 2018 at 10:11 am)Kit Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:10 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You rank scientists above your bible?

He means those pretend ID scientists.

No, those brilliant PhD scientists from ID.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:03 am)Mathilda Wrote: So you agree that not everything in the universe is designed despite you repeatedly saying that it is.

I can create things because your god allows me to and I have free will.

If I design something then your god did not design it.

But not everything I create is by design.

When God allows us to design something is designed by us.  That is true.  So what, everything is under God's providence is my point.  If He chose not to allow us to design something we wouldn't.

True.

True, He allowed you to do it.

True.

We have now established that not everything in the world has been designed by your god, and that some things are created by humans and not always by design.

Did your mother and father design you? Did they decide what sex you were going to be, the colour of your hair, skin and eyes, weight and height etc?

Did your god design these features of you?

(May 16, 2018 at 10:25 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: When God allows us to design something is designed by us.  That is true.  So what, everything is under God's providence is my point.  If He chose not to allow us to design something we wouldn't.

True.

True, He allowed you to do it.

True.

We have now established that not everything in the world has been designed by your god, and that some things are created by humans and not always by design.

Did your mother and father design you? Did they decide what sex you were going to be, the colour of your hair, skin and eyes, weight and height etc?

Did your god design these features of you?

Yes, but everything is under God's providence of what He allows and does not allow.

No.  No.  No.  No and No.  No and No.  God formed me in the womb as stated in Scripture.

Yes.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:30 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:25 am)Mathilda Wrote: Did your mother and father design you? Did they decide what sex you were going to be, the colour of your hair, skin and eyes, weight and height etc?

Did your god design these features of you?

No.  No.  No.  No and No.  No and No.  God formed me in the womb as stated in Scripture.

Yes.

So if you were designed by your god and not your mother were her choices in who she bred with irrelevant in how you were designed?

Would you have looked the same regardless of whether she bred with an caucasian, mongolian or negroid man? Or if she had bred with someone who had ginger / blonde / black / brown hair and blue / brown / green eyes? etc

(May 16, 2018 at 10:43 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:30 am)CDF47 Wrote: No.  No.  No.  No and No.  No and No.  God formed me in the womb as stated in Scripture.

Yes.

So if you were designed by your god and not your mother were her choices in who she bred with irrelevant in how you were designed?

Would you have looked the same regardless of whether she bred with an caucasian, mongolian or negroid man? Or if she had bred with someone who had ginger / blonde / black / brown hair and blue / brown / green eyes? etc

Her choices in who she bred with was relevant in my design.  For that could be God's predestined plan of who her partner would be.  He is providential over the universe.

228 pages? Really?

(May 16, 2018 at 10:46 am)CDF47 Wrote: Her choices in who she bred with was relevant in my design.  For that could be God's predestined plan of who her partner would be.  He is providential over the universe.

So she did partially design you, and the design wasn't entirely down to your god's decision.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: 228 pages?  Really?

Yeah, the questions keep coming.

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(May 16, 2018 at 10:49 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:46 am)CDF47 Wrote: Her choices in who she bred with was relevant in my design.  For that could be God's predestined plan of who her partner would be.  He is providential over the universe.

So she did partially design you, and the design wasn't entirely down to your god's decision.

According to Biblical Scripture, God forms us in the womb.  He is our Designer.  It is based on the genes of the parents though so I can see what you are saying.

Round and round and round it goes, where will it stop, god only knows.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:51 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Round and round and round it goes, where will it stop, god only knows.

LOL...God only knows is right.