People basically torture caged cattle and lab rats to make a profit. They are weaker and seem to be dumb as stones, so why not?

The potential existence of "Godly" being put's us in to same unimaginably miserable position. I think that's why I refuse the idea of God, because the root of it lies in demanding submission trough fear and for me it's not as much about the logical impossibility, which seems just an attempt to cure the paranoia about Maniacal God that many believers shit all over the place, not able to "eat" that shit themselves anymore.

When I see the helpless hell those animals are in, where they can't even fight back and only can suffer in cages, It seems awfully similar to what popular God's like to to with people - use them like items to make a profit.

We even torture our own kind; it's the bane of human nature to inflict misery.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:33 am)purplepurpose Wrote: When I see the helpless hell those animals are in, where they can't even fight back and only can suffer in cages, It seems awfully similar to what popular God's like to to with people - use them like items to make a profit.

That's not the perspective religious people have, obviously.  Think of a parent-child relationship, and how much of that also matches up with what you're saying.  The power dynamic is the same, but the way the parent feels about the child is way different.

'The man who eats meat is brother to the butcher.'

Boru

(May 16, 2018 at 10:43 am)henryp Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:33 am)purplepurpose Wrote: When I see the helpless hell those animals are in, where they can't even fight back and only can suffer in cages, It seems awfully similar to what popular God's like to to with people - use them like items to make a profit.

That's not the perspective religious people have, obviously.  Think of a parent-child relationship, and how much of that also matches up with what you're saying.  The power dynamic is the same, but the way the parent feels about the child is way different.

No parent would torture their children for their wish for independent life. Theists like to suggest that God's standard for afterlife judgment is so rough(How else can you motivate people to follow Magic?), that unless your with Him your very likely to get ultimate torture as a just punishment.

Animals can't even beg people for mercy, they just get hell till death just because they provide profit, which is a really depressing situation.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:48 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:43 am)henryp Wrote: That's not the perspective religious people have, obviously.  Think of a parent-child relationship, and how much of that also matches up with what you're saying.  The power dynamic is the same, but the way the parent feels about the child is way different.

No parent would torture their children for their wish for independent life. Theists like to suggest that God's standard is so rough, that unless your with Him your very likely to get ultimate torture as a just punishment.

Really?  A 6yo wants to stay home and watch cartoons all day.  But we send them to school.  Kid wants to play outside, but we make them clean their room.  They want to eat ice cream, but we make them eat vegetables.  If they refuse, they'll probably be punished.  From their perspective, even good parents can seem like they are torturing them.

Also with the idea of God, you don't have to pick the worst theist's opinion.  There are theists who believe in God who aren't sure what the afterlife will be like, or how the 'judging' system works.  

It's fine to look at some fire and brimstone southern baptist preacher, and say "Oh, I can't believe in THAT God."  But that one God doesn't represent all the versions.  It's sort of like watching Meryl Streep in Mama Mia, and saying you could never like a movie she's in.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:58 am)henryp Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:48 am)purplepurpose Wrote: No parent would torture their children for their wish for independent life. Theists like to suggest that God's standard is so rough, that unless your with Him your very likely to get ultimate torture as a just punishment.

Really?  A 6yo wants to stay home and watch cartoons all day.  But we send them to school.  Kid wants to play outside, but we make them clean their room.  They want to eat ice cream, but we make them eat vegetables.  If they refuse, they'll probably be punished.  From their perspective, even good parents can seem like they are torturing them.

Also with the idea of God, you don't have to pick the worst theist's opinion.  There are theists who believe in God who aren't sure what the afterlife will be like, or how the 'judging' system works.  

It's fine to look at some fire and brimstone southern baptist preacher, and say "Oh, I can't believe in THAT God."  But that one God doesn't represent all the versions.  It's sort of like watching Meryl Streep in Mama Mia, and saying you could never like a movie she's in.

You don't sound like an average atheist. You sound like deist, agnostic, or some other hippy believer. 

You basically say that God is cool and hell might not exist.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:48 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Animals can't even beg people for mercy, they just get hell till death just because they provide profit, which is a really depressing situation.

Think of it this way.  How many animals seem thrilled to be a part of 'getting hell till death'?  Contrast with some theists.  A lot of those people are happy as fuck.  Way happier than any of us clowns.  So there must bes a disconnect between how you're portraying the relationship between God and people, and how they are experiencing their relationship with God.

Clearly, there is another way to frame the relationship.

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(May 16, 2018 at 11:01 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:58 am)henryp Wrote: Really?  A 6yo wants to stay home and watch cartoons all day.  But we send them to school.  Kid wants to play outside, but we make them clean their room.  They want to eat ice cream, but we make them eat vegetables.  If they refuse, they'll probably be punished.  From their perspective, even good parents can seem like they are torturing them.

Also with the idea of God, you don't have to pick the worst theist's opinion.  There are theists who believe in God who aren't sure what the afterlife will be like, or how the 'judging' system works.  

It's fine to look at some fire and brimstone southern baptist preacher, and say "Oh, I can't believe in THAT God."  But that one God doesn't represent all the versions.  It's sort of like watching Meryl Streep in Mama Mia, and saying you could never like a movie she's in.

You don't sound like an average atheist. You sound like deist, agnostic, or some other hippy believer. 

You basically say that God is cool and hell might not exist. I don't like you.

You're saying you don't see how anyone can like Unicorns because their farts smell bad.  And I'm saying some people say unicorns fart rainbows, so not liking unicorns because of what a few people say their farts are like is silly.

(May 16, 2018 at 11:07 am)henryp Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:48 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Animals can't even beg people for mercy, they just get hell till death just because they provide profit, which is a really depressing situation.

Think of it this way.  How many animals seem thrilled to be a part of 'getting hell till death'?  Contrast with some theists.  A lot of those people are happy as fuck.  Way happier than any of us clowns.  So there must bes a disconnect between how you're portraying the relationship between God and people, and how they are experiencing their relationship with God.

Clearly, there is another way to frame the relationship.

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(May 16, 2018 at 11:01 am)purplepurpose Wrote: You don't sound like an average atheist. You sound like deist, agnostic, or some other hippy believer. 

You basically say that God is cool and hell might not exist. I don't like you.

You're saying you don't see how anyone can like Unicorns because their farts smell bad.  And I'm saying some people say unicorns fart rainbows, so not liking unicorns because of what a few people say their farts are like is silly.

"Religious Views: Atheist" - bs. Your a theist putting on an atheist mask online...