(May 16, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Your being incapable of imagining yourself as having a problem is hardly surprising.  Just another failure of your own imagination.

Not my problem, not gods problem.  Own your own shit.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree.  You think I have a problem and I think you have a problem.

(May 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Evil came when the devil and his followers rebelled against God using their own free will.  It is part of the ultimate reality as I said.  
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I believe it is based on Scripture and science even if some or the majority of scientists disagree.

But if god made all things good, that implies then that good included evil, how if god made all things good could evil possibly have come into the world free will or not  ?

What you are saying is that god either lost control, and the perfection he created was far from it.
Or he created evil.
Or there is no god and it's all nonsense

Ultimate reality is a meaningless phrase.

Free will is certainly implied in scripture, but scripture being fantasy cannot be used as evidence when talking outside theology.
This is why we have science to help describe reality.

Let me lay it out for you, real simple CDF...and I hope I;m not wasting my time with you like god has (so far) wasted his.

You externalize the failures of your own imagination by the simple act of offering an argument from incredulity or ignorance.  That;s the general context of this entire thread.

You further compound this pattern by externalizing the failures of your own imagination and your own scientific illiteracy into demands of god.  That god must have made this ID shit, which doesn;t actually exist.  That you believe in a god that did something that isn;t real.  This reduces your god to fiction, but only because you make such a demand and refuse to consider any fact of the matter...because you "disagree".

The trifecta, the holy trinity, really twisting the knife..though, is that you came here, to an atheist board..to fish for men.  You found yourself making a complete mockery of god and arguing with an atheist who was trying to defend your god..and then externalized the blame for your own failure in that regard, to "debate tricksters" and "spiritual blindness".

It;s you............. it;s all you, and it;s always been you.  

Do you understand?

(May 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Evil came when the devil and his followers rebelled against God using their own free will.  It is part of the ultimate reality as I said.  
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I believe it is based on Scripture and science even if some or the majority of scientists disagree.

Ultimate reality is a meaningless phrase.

But if god made all things good, that implies then that good included evil, how if god made all things good could evil possibly have come into the world free will or not  ?

What you are saying is that god either lost control, and the perfection he created was far from it.
Or he created evil.
Or there is no god and it's all nonsense

God said what He made was good, not perfect.  Good does not include evil.  Evil came in after the fall of man.  There was also evil when the devil and his followers rebelled against God.

Man learned the truth about good and evil after the fall.  Evil was already present as the devil had at sometime in the past rebelled against God which is why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was present in Eden to begin with.

In the end, the Bible states death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire as the second death.  This may mean that evil is destroyed along with this universe and all wicked people and beings.

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(May 16, 2018 at 3:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Let me lay it out for you, real simple CDF...and I hope I;m not wasting my time with you like god has (so far) wasted his.  

You externalize the failures of your own imagination by the simple act of offering an argument from incredulity or ignorance.  That;s the general context of this entire thread.

You further compound this pattern by externalizing the failures of your own imagination and your own scientific illiteracy into demands of god.  That god must have made this ID shit, which doesn;t actually exist.  That you believe in a god that did something that isn;t real.  This reduces your god to fiction, but only because you make such a demand and refuse to consider any fact of the matter...because you "disagree".

The trifecta, the holy trinity, really twisting the knife..though, is that you came here, to an atheist board..to fish for men.  You found yourself making a complete mockery of god and arguing with an atheist who was trying to defend your god..and then externalized the blame for your own failure in that regard, to "debate tricksters" and "spiritual blindness".

It;s you............. it;s all you, and it;s always been you.  

Do you understand?

No, I do not understand.  You are spinning blame on to me for your own scientific and spiritual blindness.  That is my opinion.

Directly contradcting yourself in one breath.  

Make up your mind, did evil come at the pre fall rebellion or after the fall?  If it came in after the fall than the pre fall rebellion was not evil.  If it came in at the rebellion than the existence of evil is, in fact, not an effect of the fall.

Quote:No, I do not understand.

Unsurprising.

Quote:  You are spinning blame on to me for your own scientific and spiritual blindness.  That is my opinion.

Did I make you offer an argument from ignorance?

No.

Did I force you to make ludicrous and demonstrably false demands of god?  

No.

Have I insisted that you continue to make arguments from ignorance or ludicrous and demonstrably false demands of god?

No..quite the opposite.

All..........................you....but all you can talk about is -my- spiritual blindess, lol.

(May 16, 2018 at 3:50 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Directly contradcting yourself in one breath.  

Make up your mind, did evil come at the pre fall rebellion or after the fall?  If it came in after the fall than the pre fall rebellion was not evil.  If it came in at the rebellion than the existence of evil is, in fact, not mans fault.

Quote:No, I do not understand.

Unsurprising.

Quote:  You are spinning blame on to me for your own scientific and spiritual blindness.  That is my opinion.

Did I make you offer an argument from ignorance?

No.

Did I force you to make ludicrous and demonstrably false demands of god?  

No.

Have I insisted that you continue to make arguments from ignorance or ludicrous and demonstrably false demands of god?

No..quite the opposite.

All..........................you....but all you can talk about is -my- spiritual blindess, lol.

Evil existed before the fall of man since the tree of knowledge of good and evil was there from the beginning.  Hence, the devil must have rebelled prior to man's existence.  

I have done none of what you accuse me of.  I just brought proof of a Creator based on the information in DNA to create machines,...

(May 16, 2018 at 3:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have done none of what you accuse me of.  I just brought proof of a Creator based on the information in DNA to create machines,...

Directly contradicting yourself in one breath, again....and did I make you do that?  

No.

The stupid continues to reach new levels.

Quote: Evil came in after the fall of man.  

Quote:Evil existed before the fall of man

-Which one of these two assholes is right?

(May 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 3:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have done none of what you accuse me of.  I just brought proof of a Creator based on the information in DNA to create machines,...

Directly contradicting yourself in one breath, again....and did I make you do that?  

No.

In the Bible, God instructs His people to search for Him in the creation.  I have done that and found His signature in DNA.

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(May 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm)Joods Wrote: The stupid continues to reach new levels.

Says a non-believer.