(May 16, 2018 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You should spend that time in the bible looking for the right verse to cure what ails you.  To court gods intervention in your life.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The "lord" must have created wolves to be exactly what he wants them to be.  Stop questioning god.  

They eat their prey alive, asshole first, exactly as god intended.  Allah Akbar!

They human wolf like person/tyrant has the free will choice to act how they do.  They choose to be wolves.  The regular animal wolf is a pretty impressive creature I agree.  I am a fan of wolves, dogs,...

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(May 16, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: All false 


All ready saw it.  It's crap .Strobel was never an atheist or a skeptic 

Here's the detailed refutations 
http://www.tektonics.org/ezine/pricecase...index.html
Robert Price 

https://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff...robel.html
Jeffery Jay Lowder 

https://celsus.blog/2013/08/24/another-c...or-christ/
Matthew Ferguson 

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12263
And (historian) Richard Carriers Annihilation of the Movie every point

Sorry but hard for me to take serious infidels.org as a citation.  Seems biased to me.  No matter what I post you try to refute it.

Quote:Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive tree of Athens, though burned by the Persians, grew a new shoot an arm's length in a single day; a miraculous flood-tide wiped out an entire Persian contingent after they desecrated an image of Poseidon; a horse gave birth to a rabbit; and a whole town witnessed a mass resurrection of cooked fish!

Do you believe these things happened? Well, why not? Herodotus was an educated man, a critical historian, and he consulted eyewitnesses, and he clearly saw nothing to doubt in these events.1 So why should we? If you're smart, reasonably educated, and honest, you'll have to admit your doubts here are rather strong. And I'm sure if someone came knocking on your door, insisting these things were true, you'd defend your doubts as entirely reasonable.

Richard Carrier, Chapter 11  The Christian Delusion edited by John Loftus

(May 16, 2018 at 10:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Magic book tells us that the reason that you aren;t healed is a weakness of faith.  Perhaps you should spend more time cultivating your faith and less time bullshitting other people about ID?

God wills you to be happy, healthy, and whole...you;re the only one getting in the way of that.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote: They human wolf like person/tyrant has the free will choice to act how they do.  They choose to be wolves.  The regular animal wolf is a pretty impressive creature I agree.  I am a fan of wolves, dogs,...

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Sorry but hard for me to take serious infidels.org as a citation.  Seems biased to me.  No matter what I post you try to refute it.

That's how we feel about your fucking bible.

Nonetheless, something you said reminded me of this passage.

Quote:Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive tree of Athens, though burned by the Persians, grew a new shoot an arm's length in a single day; a miraculous flood-tide wiped out an entire Persian contingent after they desecrated an image of Poseidon; a horse gave birth to a rabbit; and a whole town witnessed a mass resurrection of cooked fish!

Do you believe these things happened? Well, why not? Herodotus was an educated man, a critical historian, and he consulted eyewitnesses, and he clearly saw nothing to doubt in these events.1 So why should we? If you're smart, reasonably educated, and honest, you'll have to admit your doubts here are rather strong. And I'm sure if someone came knocking on your door, insisting these things were true, you'd defend your doubts as entirely reasonable.

Richard Carrier, Chapter 11  The Christian Delusion edited by John Loftus

So what say you?  Do you accept the reported miracles by Herodotus?

(May 16, 2018 at 10:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Magic book tells us that the reason that you aren;t healed is a weakness of faith.  Perhaps you should spend more time cultivating your faith and less time bullshitting other people about ID?

God wills you to be happy, healthy, and whole...you;re the only one getting in the way of that.

I spend a lot of time reading the Bible and I am familiar with the faith portion of healing.  It also has to fall into God's divine plan whether you are healed or not.  He may have a purpose for my aliments that I am not even aware of or it could just be do to my sin.  

God does want us to find joy in this life, I agree (after we repent of course) but we also have to play the cards we are dealt.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote: They human wolf like person/tyrant has the free will choice to act how they do.  They choose to be wolves.  The regular animal wolf is a pretty impressive creature I agree.  I am a fan of wolves, dogs,...

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Sorry but hard for me to take serious infidels.org as a citation.  Seems biased to me.  No matter what I post you try to refute it.

That's how we feel about your fucking bible.

Nonetheless, something you said reminded me of this passage.

Quote:Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive Fifty years after the Persian Wars ended in 479 BC Herodotus the Halicarnassian asked numerous eyewitnesses and their children about the things that happened in those years and then wrote a book about it. Though he often shows a critical and skeptical mind, sometimes naming his sources or even questioning their reliability when he has suspicious or conflicting accounts, he nevertheless reports without a hint of doubt that the temple of Delphi magically defended itself with animated armaments, lightning bolts, and collapsing cliffs; the sacred olive tree of Athens, though burned by the Persians, grew a new shoot an arm's length in a single day; a miraculous flood-tide wiped out an entire Persian contingent after they desecrated an image of Poseidon; a horse gave birth to a rabbit; and a whole town witnessed a mass resurrection of cooked fish!

Do you believe these things happened? Well, why not? Herodotus was an educated man, a critical historian, and he consulted eyewitnesses, and he clearly saw nothing to doubt in these events.1 So why should we? If you're smart, reasonably educated, and honest, you'll have to admit your doubts here are rather strong. And I'm sure if someone came knocking on your door, insisting these things were true, you'd defend your doubts as entirely reasonable.

Richard Carrier, Chapter 11  The Christian Delusion edited by John Loftus

So what say you?  Do you accept the reported miracles by Herodotus?

(May 16, 2018 at 10:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I spend a lot of time reading the Bible and I am familiar with the faith portion of healing.  It also has to fall into God's divine plan whether you are healed or not.  He may have a purpose for my aliments that I am not even aware of or it could just be do to my sin.  

God does want us to find joy in this life, I agree (after we repent of course) but we also have to play the cards we are dealt.

Clearly not enough time, you're still broken and you;re still here.  You could have your nose buried in magic book right now.  You'd have to be balls to the wall crazy to believe that god and magic book could heal you...and yet spend you time doing anything else.

Maybe the point of your illness is to get you to stop bullshitting people about him?  Maybe your sin..is hubris?

Quote:Oh that's not even best example of such a myth/

(May 16, 2018 at 10:57 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I enjoy discussing these things.  I read the Bible as I type on here often, just looking at different verses and what not.

Quote:No, I do not believe in pagan gods.  Their creation stories are like fairy tales.