(May 26, 2018 at 5:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: Wonderful..then the intelligence of some thing is not due to us having created it, but due to some thing x -about- that thing...x.

Agreed?

No, the intelligence is due to our having created it.

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(May 26, 2018 at 5:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: Wonderful..then the intelligence of some thing is not due to us having created it, but due to some thing x -about- that thing...x.

Agreed?

I disagree.

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(May 26, 2018 at 5:22 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 4:20 am)CDF47 Wrote: How do you know who does and doesn't use CSI?

I've got an even better question.  Where are the calculations which show that DNA contains specified information?

You must have them, unless you were just making an empty claim about DNA containing CSI.  So where are they?

This should be a snap for you to provide.  If such a calculation exists, it would be the pièce de résistance of CSI, its grandest achievement.

So trot it out, or admit that you and your claims are full of shit.

Below is information on the genetic code:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

(May 26, 2018 at 5:26 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 5:22 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've got an even better question.  Where are the calculations which show that DNA contains specified information?

You must have them, unless you were just making an empty claim about DNA containing CSI.  So where are they?

This should be a snap for you to provide.  If such a calculation exists, it would be the pièce de résistance of CSI, its grandest achievement.

So trot it out, or admit that you and your claims are full of shit.

Below is information on the genetic code:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

That's not what I asked for and you know it. Produce the calculations. That article doesn't even mention CSI.

(May 26, 2018 at 4:35 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 4:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you want to participate....or not?

Sure

No you don't.

I provided you with the statement of LeHigh University about Behe and his crackpot notions. You ignored it.

I provided you with a demolition of Meyers nonsense. You ignored that too.

Almost as though you were actively avoiding any challenge to your cherished superstitious heretical beliefs.

(May 26, 2018 at 5:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 4:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: Sure

No you don't.

I provided you with the statement of LeHigh University about Behe and his crackpot notions. You ignored it.

I provided you with a demolition of Meyers nonsense. You ignored that too.

Almost as though you were actively avoiding any challenge to your cherished superstitious heretical beliefs.

Just neo-Darwinist propaganda.

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(May 26, 2018 at 5:50 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 5:26 am)CDF47 Wrote: Below is information on the genetic code:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

That's not what I asked for and you know it.  Produce the calculations.  That article doesn't even mention CSI.

I don't have calculations. I'll refer you to his book Design Inference.

(May 26, 2018 at 6:31 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 5:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: No you don't.

I provided you with the statement of LeHigh University about Behe and his crackpot notions. You ignored it.

I provided you with a demolition of Meyers nonsense. You ignored that too.

Almost as though you were actively avoiding any challenge to your cherished superstitious heretical beliefs.

Just neo-Darwinist propaganda.

Specifically identify any part which you think is NOT factually correct. You can't, thus you have no choice but to attempt to handwave it away.

And thus you expose how vacuous your insane position actually is.

Let me illustrate this for you.

Quote:I believe the universe was created by universe forming pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that life was started by life creating pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that god, yahweh, allah, odin, vishnu etc. are all feeble man-made attempts to explain this reality.

I believe these things as a matter of faith and I am strong in my faith.

These seem to me to be the only obvious explanation. You cannot prove my faith to be incorrect much as you might try.

None of your so-called science has an explanation for these events, nor can your so-called "clever" arguments or puny "logic" shake my fundamental faith.

Your position is NO different.

(May 26, 2018 at 6:40 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 6:31 am)CDF47 Wrote: Just neo-Darwinist propaganda.

Specifically identify any part which you think is NOT factually correct. You can't, thus you have no choice but to attempt to handwave it away.

And thus you expose how vacuous your insane position actually is.

Let me illustrate this for you.

Quote:I believe the universe was created by universe forming pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that life was started by life creating pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that god, yahweh, allah, odin, vishnu etc. are all feeble man-made attempts to explain this reality.

I believe these things as a matter of faith and I am strong in my faith.

These seem to me to be the only obvious explanation. You cannot prove my faith to be incorrect much as you might try.

None of your so-called science has an explanation for these events, nor can your so-called "clever" arguments or puny "logic" shake my fundamental faith.

Your position is NO different.

It's all propaganda.  See I can play the same game you atheists play.

(May 26, 2018 at 6:44 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 6:40 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Specifically identify any part which you think is NOT factually correct. You can't, thus you have no choice but to attempt to handwave it away.

And thus you expose how vacuous your insane position actually is.

Let me illustrate this for you.

Quote:I believe the universe was created by universe forming pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that life was started by life creating pixies who perished in the effort.

I believe that god, yahweh, allah, odin, vishnu etc. are all feeble man-made attempts to explain this reality.

I believe these things as a matter of faith and I am strong in my faith.

These seem to me to be the only obvious explanation. You cannot prove my faith to be incorrect much as you might try.

None of your so-called science has an explanation for these events, nor can your so-called "clever" arguments or puny "logic" shake my fundamental faith.

Your position is NO different.

It's all propaganda.  See I can play the same game you atheists play.

So you have NO response at all. 

Am I correct about the pixies? If not, why not?

(May 26, 2018 at 6:31 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 5:50 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's not what I asked for and you know it.  Produce the calculations.  That article doesn't even mention CSI.

I don't have calculations.  I'll refer you to his book Design Inference.

As noted earlier, that doesn't contain the relevant calculation either. If this is the centerpiece of the argument for design, then where is it?

(May 26, 2018 at 6:48 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 6:44 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's all propaganda.  See I can play the same game you atheists play.

So you have NO response at all. 

Am I correct about the pixies? If not, why not?

Of course you are wrong.  The universe was created by the living and eternal Lord.

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(May 26, 2018 at 6:52 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 6:31 am)CDF47 Wrote: I don't have calculations.  I'll refer you to his book Design Inference.

As noted earlier, that doesn't contain the relevant calculation either.  If this is the centerpiece of the argument for design, then where is it?

ID has been around for a while and is used in many different fields; such as astronomy, forensics, and SETI.

(May 26, 2018 at 6:57 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 6:48 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So you have NO response at all. 

Am I correct about the pixies? If not, why not?

Of course you are wrong.  The universe was created by the living and eternal Lord.

Can you prove it wasn't pixies? I have faith that it was.