(May 29, 2018 at 5:16 am)ignoramus Wrote: Whitewolf: Straight White Male?

Maybe Mr Whitewolf wants us to know that he's not gay, or black, or Jewish! Redneck! wassup!

He doth protest too much. I bet when he's at home alone he swans around dressed up as rabbi.

(May 29, 2018 at 5:09 am)Whitewolf Wrote: Jews are still a huge problem today. Seems like everywhere they go they're conniving people and subverting nations.

What does it say in Thessalonians 2:14-16?

If there was anything rational about their decision it would not be so condemned.

However, keep in mind, the golden calf started moving due to a sorcerer's magic, and they equated that power with the power displayed by Moses.

And Pharaoh's people disbelieved because they equated Moses' miracles as well with their sorcerers, and so the question arises, how to distinguish between a true miracle and not one.

And this is why the talk of Jacob and his name "Israel" is important, because, yes, might of power to a degree does verify you being right. But only at a very very high level.

(May 29, 2018 at 5:09 am)Whitewolf Wrote: Jews are still a huge problem today. Seems like everywhere they go they're conniving people and subverting nations.

For some reason I'm reminded of a scene from Lethal Weapon 2 when I read that.

Mel Gibson, "Big smile! Big smile!"

(May 29, 2018 at 2:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If there was anything rational about their decision it would not be so condemned.

However, keep in mind, the golden calf started moving due to a sorcerer's magic, and they equated that power with the power displayed by Moses.

Tricky sorcerers, screwing gods best laid plans everytime he tries them.  

Quote:And Pharaoh's people disbelieved because they equated Moses' miracles as well with their sorcerers, and so the question arises, how to distinguish between a true miracle and not one.

If true miracles are indistinguishable from fake ones........is there a difference?  

Quote:And this is why the talk of Jacob and his name "Israel" is important, because, yes, might of power to a degree does verify you being right. But only at a very very high level.

Might makes right for the super duper mighty. 

You know how isreal got that name? "God" wasn;t so mighty.

It's not distinguishable without reasoning and logic. Per Quran, it was the sorcerers out of the people of Pharaoh who submitted to Moses and Aaron authority, because they realized how beyond it was from natural acquired ability.

There is even more issues arises with higher signs like seeing Angels.

Read the 15th Surah of Quran Khemikal. It's not over long. Tell me your thoughts, do you think it is easy to recognize a trustworthy Angel per the paradigm of that Surah?

The lowest down to earth way to know God and book and truth through analyzing a text, is in fact, so much easier, then being put in a hot spot to accept if a miracle is a miracle or sorcery.

And harder then all that, is, recognizing Angels from deceiving Jinn.

And even if a door to ascension was opened and we began ascending, to know you are not bewitched or going crazy is not easy task when we are in a state of injustice and irrational doubt.

Read the 15th Surah.

At the same time, God shows the signs for those who actually attain certainty and has adorned the sky with blazing lanterns for those who look.

(May 29, 2018 at 2:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's not distinguishable without reasoning and logic.  Per Quran,

Imma stop you right there...and remind you that I don;t care about your magic book. It says all sorts of silly shit. No amount of you reciting it will end with anything other than me saying "see...it says all sorts of silly shit".

(May 29, 2018 at 2:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 2:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's not distinguishable without reasoning and logic.  Per Quran,

Imma stop you right there...and remind you that I don;t care about your magic book.  It says all sorts of silly shit.  No amount of you reciting it will end with anything other than me saying "see...it says all sorts of silly shit".

Just read the 15th Surah. I think if you reflect on it. I will open up some blessed doors.

You think lots of silly things.

It's all symbolism, imho. A story told to convey a certain message. Maybe there was slavery of the Jews in Egypt and a man named Moses who helped lead them to freedom, but if that's the case, the story, as it is told, is exaggerated to make a point.