(June 2, 2018 at 6:06 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 4:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: Why do atheists have so much faith that this world just came out of nothing.  Yes, it does take faith to believe this.  

This here is why your proposal cannot be accepted as is.
It takes faith to believe it. You admit it. That is why it's not science.
That is why it does not belong in any science text book.

(June 2, 2018 at 4:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: You may think up some process of how you think this impossibility may happen but essentially that is the thought.  It makes absolutely no sense to me in defense of all the evidence of a super-intelligent Designer.

To you. To you. To you!
To your limited mind, it makes no sense. To your limited and probably conditioned mind only a god makes sense as an answer to your question about the DNA. TO YOU!
To us, there are many other potential answers and none of them would require faith, nor a god, nor a super intelligence, nor any being that acts upon this world in unmeasurable ways, but that produce a measurable effect.

Your mind is the one that is falling for the fallacious reasoning!
Your mind is the one that is accepting a ready answer instead of thinking.
Your mind is the one that is having faith in the ID position.

No, you are the one that has faith that "poof" everything now exists.  It makes no sense.  Either things are designed or they are not.  The proof and evidence is clear.

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(June 2, 2018 at 6:14 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 6:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, the master intelligence just is and always has been.

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I am not trolling.  Every word I say I totally mean and intend.  The only exception to this is if I am clearly joking about something.

You're lying.

I am not a liar and I am not lying.

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(June 2, 2018 at 6:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 5:51 am)CDF47 Wrote: The first intelligence just is and always has been.  I believe that is the Christian God of the Bible.  He is the primordial One.

But you said intelligence had to come from intelligence if it "just is" then we could say the same for everything we don't understand. It is a non-answer, it is worse than that its lazy and stupid.

This creation is masterfully designed and optimized in many ways.  The atheist just closes their eyes to this fact which just bugs me.  I wish they were just honest with themselves and with others.  Many are spreading misinformation and disinformation (deliberate).

Lel at optimized. The programmer must have skipped a class or two.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:32 am)LastPoet Wrote: Lel at optimized. The programmer must have skipped a class or two.

I said in some areas.  He intended some faults to be in here due to the fall.  Everything is designed to be born, decay, and die over time.  This is just temporary.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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But you said intelligence had to come from intelligence if it "just is" then we could say the same for everything we don't understand. It is a non-answer, it is worse than that its lazy and stupid.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote: This creation is masterfully designed and optimized in many ways.

No it isn't and saying it is without any supporting evidence is just willful ignorance.

We have perfectly good explanations for these things that do not require a designer and people are working on the evidence

You on the other hand say it MUST be a designer and are content to leave it at that.

Its lazy and anti intellectual. Its the thought process that held back mankind but is fortunately on the way out in the developed world.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote:   The atheist just closes their eyes to this fact which just bugs me.  I wish they were just honest with themselves and with others.  Many are spreading misinformation and disinformation (deliberate).

All the things you direct at us is wrong, your basic premiss is flawed and your conclusions erroneous.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:34 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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(June 2, 2018 at 6:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: But you said intelligence had to come from intelligence if it "just is" then we could say the same for everything we don't understand. It is a non-answer, it is worse than that its lazy and stupid.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote: This creation is masterfully designed and optimized in many ways.

No it isn't and saying it is without any supporting evidence is just willful ignorance.

We have perfectly good explanations for these things that do not require a designer and people are working on the evidence

You on the other hand say it MUST be a designer and are content to leave it at that.

Its lazy and anti intellectual. Its the thought process that held back mankind but is fortunately on the way out in the developed world.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote:   The atheist just closes their eyes to this fact which just bugs me.  I wish they were just honest with themselves and with others.  Many are spreading misinformation and disinformation (deliberate).

All the things you direct at us is wrong, your basic premiss is flawed and your conclusions erroneous.

Armies of scientists have been working on evidence for a century and more and more things appear designed.

(June 1, 2018 at 5:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's about functional highly sophisticated information always coming from an intelligence. 

Assuming the conclusion you want to reach via bare assertion.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It had to come from a super-intelligence.  That is the only logical explanation for the vast amounts of functional information to this degree.

Again, asserting the conclusion you want to reach. RNA world addresses a path for a natural origin of DNA, and you've never addressed RNA world.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 5:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's about functional highly sophisticated information always coming from an intelligence. 

Assuming the conclusion you want to reach via bare assertion.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It had to come from a super-intelligence.  That is the only logical explanation for the vast amounts of functional information to this degree.

Again, asserting the conclusion you want to reach. RNA world addresses a path for a natural origin of DNA, and you've never addressed RNA world.

What is there to address?

(June 1, 2018 at 6:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 6:06 pm)Kit Wrote: Asserting it over and over with no evidence to back it does not make it true.

The only known source of functional information like this is from intelligence.

And the reproductive environment via natural selection, as amply demonstrated for over a century, a natural process that results in specific, functional adaptations that even creationists no longer deny.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:31 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No one can come close to explaining it.  It is just shrugged off, like usual.

Evidence in this thread suggests you haven't the slightest interest in the closest anyone has come to explaining it: RNA world.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I really think there are a number of people on here who lie to serve their atheist agenda.  They know the truth, it is too obvious, but they, deny, deny, deny.

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Think of how human body temperature sensing and control works as one example.  There are temperature sensors in the body that report to a central control system which then either provides heating or cooling to the human body.  These are designed systems.  The entire body plan is designed.

It's obvious to me that you haven't the slightest care whether your reasoning is sound (cogent premises, non-fallacious logic). If the truth were really on your side, you could make a fucking argument without botching it up with a fallacy.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Serving your agenda.  Salute.  You are so brainwashed, it ain't even funny.

And there's a side helping of astounding unconscious irony, Mr. 'I'm here on an atheist forum to serve the ID agenda'.

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(June 1, 2018 at 7:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You can't even come close to trying to start explaining the complexity of DNA information and how it functions.

RNA world. RNA world. RNA world.