Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:37 am
(June 8, 2018 at 8:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 8:18 am)robvalue Wrote: It's a shame that such action doesn't instantly lead to going out of business. I expect that a stunt like that in England would do the trick.
I would be really interested to see what would happen if the gay couple went into a Muslim bakery near me asking for their wedding food.
I really couldn't see them losing many of their customers on any scandal like that.
I'd be terrified of walking around my area as an openly gay person in a couple anyway.
I'm sad to hear that  I guess things vary here more than I realized.
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:41 am
So would you guys agree then; that those who refused to make dresses and such for Trumps inauguration, should be held in the wrong? How about when Bruce Springsteen canceled shows in Charlotte for political disagreements. They should be forced to do this work?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
Posts: 7045
Threads: 20
Joined: June 17, 2014
Reputation:
55
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2018 at 9:43 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 8, 2018 at 9:41 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So would you guys agree then; that those who refused to make dresses and such for Trumps inauguration, should be held in the wrong? How about when Bruce Springsteen canceled shows in Charlotte for political disagreements. They should be forced to do this work?
Political parties/stances aren't protected statuses...
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:44 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2018 at 9:45 am by RoadRunner79.)
(June 8, 2018 at 9:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 9:41 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So would you guys agree then; that those who refused to make dresses and such for Trumps inauguration, should be held in the wrong? How about when Bruce Springsteen canceled shows in Charlotte for political disagreements. They should be forced to do this work?
Political parties/stances aren't protected statuses...
So you can discriminate against these people then? I don’t see the difference.
(June 8, 2018 at 9:44 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 9:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Political parties/stances aren't protected statuses...
So you can discriminate against these people then? I don’t see the difference. Shouldn’t the principles be the same?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
Posts: 7045
Threads: 20
Joined: June 17, 2014
Reputation:
55
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:46 am
(June 8, 2018 at 9:44 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 9:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Political parties/stances aren't protected statuses...
So you can discriminate against these people then? I don’t see the difference.
If you don't see the difference between being alt-right and simply being gay, I don't know what to tell you man.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
Posts: 67044
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:49 am
(June 8, 2018 at 6:32 am)robvalue Wrote: Or is just another flimsy argument to try and justify bigotry?
This, lol, as always.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 9:58 am
(June 8, 2018 at 9:46 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 9:44 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So you can discriminate against these people then? I don’t see the difference.
If you don't see the difference between being alt-right and simply being gay, I don't know what to tell you man.
That kind of sounds like you are saying you can be predjudice depending on who it is. It’s easy to say that for those you like, that you can’t discriminate, but the test is when you have to apply it to this you do not.
But what I meant, is that there isn’t a difference, where the same reasoning wouldn’t apply(if one is consistent in their logic).
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
Posts: 7045
Threads: 20
Joined: June 17, 2014
Reputation:
55
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 10:06 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2018 at 10:10 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 8, 2018 at 9:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 8, 2018 at 9:46 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: If you don't see the difference between being alt-right and simply being gay, I don't know what to tell you man.
That kind of sounds like you are saying you can be predjudice depending on who it is. It’s easy to say that for those you like, that you can’t discriminate, but the test is when you have to apply it to this you do not.
But what I meant, is that there isn’t a difference, where the same reasoning wouldn’t apply(if one is consistent in their logic).
If a nazi-shirt-wearing, loudmouthed asshole with a huge cross hanging around his neck comes into your restaurant, you can ask him to leave based on his clothing, based on him being a nazi, and based on him being a disruptive asshole. You can't say "we don't serve christians here, you have to leave."
Same goes the other way - if a gay couple comes to your restaurant, cause a huge ruckus and start shouting about how Bernie's the messiah, you can ask them leave based on everything except "we don't serve gays, get out."
You aren't allowed to discriminate against someone for simply who they are - generally seen as things they don't have control over, like race, sex, orientation, age etc. Political views, behaviors, clothing, etc are not part of those protected groups. We've seen in the past that if you're allowed to discriminate based on things like race, minorities get a HELL of a lot less access to just about everything from jobs to services to healthcare. The whole point of protected groups is trying to mitigate that imbalance and secure a modicum of equal opportunity/access.
It would be great if anti-discrimination laws were unnecessary, but currently they are, because without them groups suffer unfairly simply based on things they can't control.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
Posts: 67044
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2018 at 10:08 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You can be! You can even be prejudiced in the ways that are illegal so long as you keep the quiet parts quiet. It's almost as if the government isn;t using it's terrible power as some sort of vast program of overreach, or something.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 12806
Threads: 158
Joined: February 13, 2010
Reputation:
111
RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 8, 2018 at 10:15 am
(June 8, 2018 at 9:41 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So would you guys agree then; that those who refused to make dresses and such for Trumps inauguration, should be held in the wrong? How about when Bruce Springsteen canceled shows in Charlotte for political disagreements. They should be forced to do this work?
All of those people have a choice. They can go to an inauguration, choose a political stance. Gay people are just gay. There's nothing they can do about being gay. So, there is a difference.
|
