OFC not, we're too busy doing that shit to our own people.  Don;t worry, we'll get around to canadia eventually.  

I don;t think I;m ever going to be able to see eye to eye with you on this whataboutist business with israel.

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OFC not, we;re too busy doing that too our own..but we'll get around to canadia...eventually.

I don;t think I'll ever be able to see eye to eye with you on this whataboutist business with israel.

(June 11, 2018 at 8:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: http://theduran.com/breaking-syrian-rebe...-in-syria/

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Giving rebels chemical weapons to stage attacks on Syrians then blame it on Syrian government.  Of course, haters gonna hate and believe what their scum bag governments tell them.

But the Syrian government has the chemical weapons since the 70s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_chem...ns_program

Quote:Syria's chemical weapons program began in the 1970s with weapons and training from Egypt and the Soviet Union

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(June 11, 2018 at 10:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Israel has openly supported regime change in Iran. What does that mean, exactly what Muslim mean with death to Israel. Nobody means kill all citizens and even Ahmadinejad said what it means is end of the regime as is, and depending on what Palestinians wants, either integrating with the people of Israel in a democracy or two state solution if that's what they want. But no an Apartheid regime doesn't have a right to exist especially when it's oppressive.

You believe that the chemical attack on civilians are a conspiracy from "the enemies of Assad"; but you also believe that "death to Israel" when said, it doesn't mean "kill all the Israeli civilians"?

The slogan means "death to every Jew"; it even has basis in the Hadith:

https://islamqa.info/en/223275

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism

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Quote:[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amal_Saad-Ghorayeb]Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a Shiite scholar and assistant professor at the Lebanese American University has written that Hezbollah is not Anti-Zionist, but rather Anti-Jewish. She quoted Hassan Nasrallah as saying: "If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli."[145]

Why do you lie?

Sunnies and Shiites hate Jews, and their religions are very anti-Jewish.
The propaganda of the Shiite militias in specific is very anti-Jewish.

From defending monsters like the Syrian regime; to covering the filthy ass of Iran and Shiite Jihad; you have no shame?

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(June 11, 2018 at 11:08 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: A strong Israeli state that will abuse and exploit it's  it neighbours if it even keeps its word and does not slowly absorb them vs supporting a rogue state that's given a blank check to do stuff we would condemn any  enemy nation for. As for Israeli being a democracy in name only really .

It doesn't matter. The land is not for the Israeli's to take.
After all; these are invaders who claimed that the land is theirs based on a religious prophecy. The land is not theirs; and without the British cannon they wouldn't had take an inch from it.

Are we still pretending that the land in question isn;t already the state of israel?  That isn;t something that will ever be undone.  No more so than we'll be giving this country back to the natives.

If a two state (or even single state without the ghetto) solution is ever going to work, the neighborhood nitwits have to stop leveraging their civilian pawns as bullet fodder. Conversely, the civilian pawns could just decide that they;re tired of being used.

I don;t see either happening anytime soon...nor do I see israel softening their stance so long as they have the shields of all the death to israel chanters to hide behind. I think it;s hilarious that people imagine its the US or the west enabling their misdeeds. It isn;t. The islamists who simply cannot abide the presence of a jew are prolonging the misery of their compatriots for entirely cynical reasons. If they pulled a ghandi on israel..perhaps it would be a different story from the perspective of global politics.

Don;t get me wrong...I understand why a person would grab a gun or rig a bomb...just pointing out that the terminus of that course of action is exactly what we see in the gaza strip.

I don't think I'd really support either side militarily. I would give humanitarian aid where appropriate.

(June 12, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Are we still pretending that the land in question isn;t already the state of israel?  That isn;t something that will ever be undone.  No more so than we'll be giving this country back to the natives.

If a two state (or even single state without the ghetto) solution is ever going to work, the neighborhood nitwits have to stop leveraging their civilian pawns as bullet fodder.  Conversely, the civilian pawns could just decide that they;re tired of being used.

I don;t see either happening anytime soon...nor do I see israel softening their stance so long as they have the shields of all the death to israel chanters to hide behind.  I think it;s hilarious that people imagine its the US or the west enabling their misdeeds.  It isn;t.  The islamists who simply cannot abide the presence of a jew are prolonging the misery of their compatriots for entirely cynical reasons.  If they pulled a ghandi on israel..perhaps it would be a different story from the perspective of global politics.

Don;t get me wrong...I understand why a person would grab a gun or rig a bomb...just pointing out that the terminus of that course of action is exactly what we see in the gaza strip.

Since when homes are defined by what's in the map, or by treaties? homes are only decided by the birth right of its owners.
Ethnically cleansing a whole population, and replace it by another is called what it's called: "ethnic cleansing".

Palestinian people are being cleansed through organized Zionist atrocities, with the world silent in the face of these crimes.

The world -and the first are Iranians and Arabs- played soccer with the Palestinian cause; with every Islamic sect, or European nationalist front, or American Zionist foreign policy using the Palestinian peoples' misery as a bridge to bypass their filthy interests.

Part of the problem, I think, with criticism of Israel in the West is a fear of being labelled anti-semitic. Frequently criticism of Israel has led to others immediately jumping on the "nazi" or "Jew hater" bandwagon and attempting to denigrate the person to shut them up.

It has happened to me. Once to the point where I emailed the Simon Weisenthal Centre asking them if they considered criticism of Israel to be anti-semitic (and included exactly what I had said).

To their credit they got back to me fairly promptly that what I said was not construed as anti-semitic in any way.

But you will still get Israel apologists screaming racism at anything they perceive as criticism of their favourite nation. And many people in the West, politicians in particular, avoid criticism for that reason.

And remember, every time there has been a vote to criticise Israel or impose sanctions, the US plays it's magical VETO card.

(June 12, 2018 at 8:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(June 12, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Are we still pretending that the land in question isn;t already the state of israel?  That isn;t something that will ever be undone.  No more so than we'll be giving this country back to the natives.

If a two state (or even single state without the ghetto) solution is ever going to work, the neighborhood nitwits have to stop leveraging their civilian pawns as bullet fodder.  Conversely, the civilian pawns could just decide that they;re tired of being used.

I don;t see either happening anytime soon...nor do I see israel softening their stance so long as they have the shields of all the death to israel chanters to hide behind.  I think it;s hilarious that people imagine its the US or the west enabling their misdeeds.  It isn;t.  The islamists who simply cannot abide the presence of a jew are prolonging the misery of their compatriots for entirely cynical reasons.  If they pulled a ghandi on israel..perhaps it would be a different story from the perspective of global politics.

Don;t get me wrong...I understand why a person would grab a gun or rig a bomb...just pointing out that the terminus of that course of action is exactly what we see in the gaza strip.

Since when homes are defined by what's in the map, or by treaties? homes are only decided by the birth right of its owners.
Ethnically cleansing a whole population, and replace it by another is called what it's called: "ethnic cleansing".

Palestinian people are being cleansed through organized Zionist atrocities, with the world silent in the face of these crimes.

The world -and the first are Iranians and Arabs- played soccer with the Palestinian cause; with every Islamic sect, or European nationalist front, or American Zionist foreign policy using the Palestinian peoples' misery as a bridge to bypass their filthy interests.

That;s nice, dear.  Germany also pulled off some ethnic cleansing..and it still exists..so did we.  Israel is never going to go away, lol.

The beginning of any solution for anyone simply has to be the end of this nonsense about not recognizing israels right to exist...or screaming death to israel while popularizing and normalizing intifada.

Agree or disagree?

(June 12, 2018 at 8:27 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Part of the problem, I think, with criticism of Israel in the West is a fear of being labelled anti-semitic.  Frequently criticism of Israel has led to others immediately jumping on the "nazi" or "Jew hater" bandwagon and attempting to denigrate the person to shut them up.

It has happened to me.  Once to the point where I emailed the Simon Weisenthal Centre asking them if they considered criticism of Israel to be anti-semitic (and included exactly what I had said).

To their credit they got back to me fairly promptly that what I said was not construed as anti-semitic in any way.

But you will still get Israel apologists screaming racism at anything they perceive as criticism of their favourite nation.  And many people in the West, politicians in particular, avoid criticism for that reason.

And remember, every time there has been a vote to criticise Israel or impose sanctions, the US plays it's magical  VETO card.

Israel got the whole weight of the British & American media backing its formation during & after WW2, after all it was the strong corner for Britian, France & Russia in the Sykes-Picot treaty, and then it became the American bunker in the Middle East. It's the tip of the spear now for any American plan to harvest the Middle East off its resources, Trump's "ultimate deal" is just an example of that.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/trum...w-setback/

So I understand the amount of brainwashing the normal western individual have went through regarding "Israel". I mean those people -Israelies- were just mainly European citizens before WW2. The media picked up the religious tale to justify the "Jewish presence in Palestine", something I still can't understand is how the almost totally non-religious west bought the narrative that Zionism spread with the help of western media? That media pressure of course, is backed by the VETO card, the apologists, and the military force.

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(June 12, 2018 at 8:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 12, 2018 at 8:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Since when homes are defined by what's in the map, or by treaties? homes are only decided by the birth right of its owners.
Ethnically cleansing a whole population, and replace it by another is called what it's called: "ethnic cleansing".

Palestinian people are being cleansed through organized Zionist atrocities, with the world silent in the face of these crimes.

The world -and the first are Iranians and Arabs- played soccer with the Palestinian cause; with every Islamic sect, or European nationalist front, or American Zionist foreign policy using the Palestinian peoples' misery as a bridge to bypass their filthy interests.

That;s nice, dear.  Germany also pulled off some ethnic cleansing..and it still exists..so did we.  Israel is never going to go away, lol.

The beginning of any solution for anyone simply has to be the end of this nonsense about not recognizing israels right to exist...or screaming death to israel while popularizing and normalizing intifada.  

Agree or disagree?

It's not a competition in "who is a better ethnic cleanser"; honey.
What you're doing now is a Tu quoque fallacy: because Hitler killed Jews; it's "normal" for Israelies to kill Palestinians !
"Get over it..it's just a napalm bomb falling over the heads of children; nothing bad !!"

If we judge by your logic, then why don't we give ISIS their caliphate? and why don't the U.S listen to them and withdraw from Afghanistan ? Killing and commit "ethnic cleansing" makes you a convict deserving execution; not a "legal part of a negotiation".

I agree on one thing though: screaming "death to Israel" is wrong. We should say "fuck their racist state", expose their crimes, and make sure peace invades instead of guns and death.

Jews and Muslims CAN BOTH LIVE TOGETHER, but with the absence of xenophobe killers like the racist Jewish state called Israel, or the Sunni Islamic state called "Saudi Arabia", or the Shiite Islamic state called "Iran".

(June 12, 2018 at 9:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not a competition in "who is a better ethnic cleanser"; honey.
What you're doing now is a Tu quoque fallacy: because Hitler killed Jews; it's "normal" for Israelies to kill Palestinians !
"Get over it..it's just a napalm bomb falling over the heads of children; nothing bad !!"

Hardly, lol.  I;m simply not looking to make excuses for either side. Israel exists, it;s not going away.  If the sheer fact of their existence is too much for the jihadis to handle..there will be no peace of any kind..ever.  This constant not-a-war will not help the palestinians.  The group that profits from their actions and statements, is israel.

Quote:If we judge by your logic, then why don't we give ISIS their caliphate? and why don't the U.S listen to them and withdraw from Afghanistan ? Killing and commit "ethnic cleansing" makes you a convict deserving execution; not a "legal part of a negotiation".

Then go get your gun.

Quote:I agree on one thing though: screaming "death to Israel" is wrong. We should say "fuck their racist state", expose their crimes, and make sure peace invades instead of guns and death.

The world stage might look different if that ever comes to pass.  

Quote:Jews and Muslims CAN BOTH LIVE TOGETHER, but with the absence of xenophobe killers like the racist Jewish state called Israel, or the Sunni Islamic state called "Saudi Arabia", or the Shiite Islamic state called "Iran".

None of those states are going to go away any time soon.  You might need to come up with a better plan.

(June 12, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 12, 2018 at 9:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not a competition in "who is a better ethnic cleanser"; honey.
What you're doing now is a Tu quoque fallacy: because Hitler killed Jews; it's "normal" for Israelies to kill Palestinians !
"Get over it..it's just a napalm bomb falling over the heads of children; nothing bad !!"

Hardly, lol.  I;m simply not looking to make excuses for either side. Israel exists, it;s not going away.  If the sheer fact of their existence is too much for the jihadas to handle..there will be no peace of any kind..ever.  This constant not-a-war will not help the palestinians. 

You're simply wanting "Arabs" and "Muslims" to submit and yield to the Israeli oppression.
Quite biased; if you wanted the truth. Just like the natives in America had the right to fight the white man; Palestinians have the right to fight the invading Zionist hordes.

Quote:None of those states are going to go away any time soon.  You might need to come up with a better plan.

No, we do our part.
Our children, or maybe grand grand grand children will thank us.

And I believe in a day when I'll stand in front of God, he will judge me for every bit of action too. In the day of judgement, I don't want to be "the asshole that saw a whole population getting eradicated but chose the stereotypical silence".