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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 2:41 pm
(June 24, 2018 at 8:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
(June 24, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Joods Wrote: See, CDF keeps on using the word "everything" as if he actually knows the meaning of it.
Everything meaning everything. Not sure I could be more clear then when I use that term.
You see if god is a thing then he created himself because he falls in the region of a "thing" and you said god created "every thing".
Now if god is not a thing then you have conceded that god does not exist.
Either way you lose.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 3:15 pm
Generally Kalam supporters try and get out of the regress either through the Ontological argument (which has been beaten to death on this forum ) or trying weasel out by saying only things that "begin to exist " need a cause of course never answer the question accept by assertion or as CD has done by theist new speak why god should be in this category and not simply a meta existence. Also he clearly has not read Hawkings last papers before he died as they present problems for his Kalam narrative .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm
One more page to go!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 4:44 pm
(June 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: This will go on for eternity
Unless people come to their senses and swing a hammer already.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 4:47 pm
(June 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: One more page to go!
Some how the image I have is of Prometheus chained to the rocks and having his liver ripped out by eagles during each one of these pages.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm
(June 25, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Generally Kalam supporters try and get out of the regress either through the Ontological argument (which has been beaten to death on this forum ) or trying weasel out by saying only things that "begin to exist " need a cause of course never answer the question accept by assertion or as CD has done by theist new speak why god should be in this category and not simply a meta existence. Also he clearly has not read Hawkings last papers before he died as they present problems for his Kalam narrative .
Yah, if the only thing in the category 'things that don't begin to exist' is God, then it's just another term for God and the premise of the Kalam is just rewording of 'everything needs a cause, except God', and we're back to special pleading.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 5:31 pm
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(June 25, 2018 at 2:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right, otherwise it's just saying some things require a creator.
And if it's only some things needing creators then what's to say that the universe is not part of the set which do not? Or humanity?
(June 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: One more page to go!
Four hundred and one, more like!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 6:03 pm
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 25, 2018 at 6:48 pm
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(June 25, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Wololo Wrote: (June 24, 2018 at 7:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God is the primordial intelligence who created all things. Everything leads back to this intelligent mind.
If everything needs a creator, as the KCA asserts, then the question "what created god?" requires an answer describing the meta-creator, and the it's creator and that being's creator and so on in infinite regression.
It is the only possible answer to the KCA, turtles all the way down.
Their needs to be a first cause of intelligence. The universe does not have a mind. It took a mind to create the universe. I believe this mind is the primordial one.
(June 25, 2018 at 2:41 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 24, 2018 at 8:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
Everything meaning everything. Not sure I could be more clear then when I use that term.
You see if god is a thing then he created himself because he falls in the region of a "thing" and you said god created "every thing".
Now if god is not a thing then you have conceded that god does not exist.
Either way you lose.
No, you know I said God is the primordial mind. All else is created by Him.
(June 25, 2018 at 5:31 pm)Wololo Wrote: (June 25, 2018 at 2:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right, otherwise it's just saying some things require a creator.
And if it's only some things needing creators then what's to say that the universe is not part of the set which do not? Or humanity?
(June 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: One more page to go!
Four hundred and one, more like!
Because the universe does not have an intelligent mind.
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That's right because the universe has no intelligence of itself.
(June 25, 2018 at 12:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (June 25, 2018 at 12:43 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I'm not. There is only so much I can answer and discuss on here.
LOL. I’m reporting you.
Reporting me for what?
(June 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 25, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Generally Kalam supporters try and get out of the regress either through the Ontological argument (which has been beaten to death on this forum ) or trying weasel out by saying only things that "begin to exist " need a cause of course never answer the question accept by assertion or as CD has done by theist new speak why god should be in this category and not simply a meta existence. Also he clearly has not read Hawkings last papers before he died as they present problems for his Kalam narrative .
Yah, if the only thing in the category 'things that don't begin to exist' is God, then it's just another term for God and the premise of the Kalam is just rewording of 'everything needs a cause, except God', and we're back to special pleading.
It pushes the problem to an intelligent mind.
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